NEW: Massive Mailbag! Sharks' Trade Deadline Talk, Celebrini's Next Contract, Deal Eklund?

[Original22]

Sheng and Keegan reminding me why I listen to podcasts at 1.5x speed

 

[Sharksfan66]

Love the 4 hour episode. That was a lot to crank out!

Maybe the most interesting thing to me was the Pettersson trade idea. I think they might have said it, but this has the potential to be the Jumbo trade all over again. And I think it would take a lot of pressure off Smith to not have to be the 2nd beset forward on this team longterm.

Eklund + Granny seems a little light, even with all the drama, but what do you all think of Eklund + Granny + Ferraro? Who says no?

 

[coooldude]

Love the 4 hour episode. That was a lot to crank out!

Maybe the most interesting thing to me was the Pettersson trade idea. I think they might have said it, but this has the potential to be the Jumbo trade all over again. And I think it would take a lot of pressure off Smith to not have to be the 2nd beset forward on this team longterm.

Eklund + Granny seems a little light, even with all the drama, but what do you all think of Eklund + Granny + Ferraro? Who says no?

I think Vancouver says no. Petey would get more of a haul. I'm also not sure I want Petey to be the next core guy we try to establish. He's got all the skill, but Grier says he wants high skilled compete, pains in the ass to play against, and Petey strikes me as a little bit of a lightweight in that regard.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I think Vancouver says no. Petey would get more of a haul. I'm also not sure I want Petey to be the next core guy we try to establish. He's got all the skill, but Grier says he wants high skilled compete, pains in the ass to play against, and Petey strikes me as a little bit of a lightweight in that regard.

You sound like JT Miller.

I think Pettersson makes sense if the Sharks wanted to speed up the rebuild which would lead me to want to use Smith instead of Eklund. While Celebrini and Askarov would be strong reasons to speed up the rebuild it won’t be successful unless the D can have a major overhaul as well.

I think an offseason trade could be more realistic but only if it comes with multiple legit top 4 D joining the organization.

 

[Sharksfan66]

I think Vancouver says no. Petey would get more of a haul. I'm also not sure I want Petey to be the next core guy we try to establish. He's got all the skill, but Grier says he wants high skilled compete, pains in the ass to play against, and Petey strikes me as a little bit of a lightweight in that regard.

What kind of haul do you think he'll get? A trade seems inevitable at this point, and seeing the Rangers offered Zibanejad for Miller straight up, it seems like teams know they have them over a barrel.

In terms of fit, I wonder the same thing to a degree but I also think the difference in play style between him and Celebrini would give teams fits trying to plan to shut the Sharks down in the playoffs. But I guess that gets back to the issues with him and Miller. Are they too different to play nice together? It really is an odd situation to me. So I guess all that said, you may be right and that's why I wouldn't mind missing out. But I would sure how Grier is at least doing the due diligence to poke around and find out what's going on up there.

 

[Sharksfan66]

You sound like JT Miller.

I think Pettersson makes sense if the Sharks wanted to speed up the rebuild which would lead me to want to use Smith instead of Eklund. While Celebrini and Askarov would be strong reasons to speed up the rebuild it won’t be successful unless the D can have a major overhaul as well.

I think an offseason trade could be more realistic but only if it comes with multiple legit top 4 D joining the organization.

I thought about Smith but I figured Eklund would actually have more value to a team like the Canucks than a guy like Smith. Maybe I'm too down on his slow start, but it seems like we're still a ways away from him becoming an impact player at this level, meanwhile the Canucks should be competing for a cup this year.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I thought about Smith but I figured Eklund would actually have more value to a team like the Canucks than a guy like Smith. Maybe I'm too down on his slow start, but it seems like we're still a ways away from him becoming an impact player at this level, meanwhile the Canucks should be competing for a cup this year.

This is an issue for the Sharks to acquire these potential young long term fits is because the teams that have these players want to compete now so they want players that can help immediately but not rentals.

That’s why these trades are a lot easier for the Sharks to make in the offseason.

 

[karltonian]

Nevermind

 

[Star Platinum]

@Sheng Peng doesn't love the trade, @Kcoyote3 thinks it's smart GM'ing. Still working my way through it.

 

[tiburon12]

@Sheng Peng doesn't love the trade, @Kcoyote3 thinks it's smart GM'ing. Still working my way through it.

Ultimately the arguing was them trying to find common ground between an qualitative vs quantitative approach to the trade, for which there cant be any.

I also don't buy that Grandlund wanted to stay. Maybe he didn't ask to leave, but that doesn't mean he wanted to stay.

 

[Star Platinum]

Ultimately the arguing was them trying to find common ground between an qualitative vs quantitative approach to the trade, for which there cant be any.

I also don't buy that Grandlund wanted to stay. Maybe he didn't ask to leave, but that doesn't mean he wanted to stay.

Yeah, that was the giant weakness in @Sheng Peng's position. You know what you do when you want to stay? You sign an extension like Blackwood did after he arrived in Colorado.

Now, you might be willing to stay for the right price, but when you wait until free agency to determine what your next contract will be, you're inherently saying that you want to see what is the highest price the market will offer you for your services and which teams are actively interested in you so you can pick the combination of team plus contract that is most appealing to you. And a team in the Sharks' position, with one of the worst records in the league and likely a lottery team for the next two seasons at minimum while their prospect pool matures can't function on hopium that just because you're a good guy with a good work ethic and a good locker room guy that you're gonna want to come back to a losing situation. If you actually are willing to do a short contract for a workable number that the Sharks are willing to pay, you had every opportunity to talk to the team and try to work out that deal. I'm sure the Sharks have had preliminary discussions of that nature with every single UFA that they would be willing to have come back next year.

What @Sheng Peng thinks he knows about Granlund's willingness to come back really doesn't matter. The Sharks can't afford to take those kinds of chances when pretty much any player with options is gonna pick a better winning situation if the money is comparable. At least with the picks in hand, you have some capital you can use to trade for guys who have to show up if you can't convince any free agents to come.

 

[tiburon12]

Yeah, that was the giant weakness in @Sheng Peng's position. You know what you do when you want to stay? You sign an extension like Blackwood did after he arrived in Colorado.

Now, you might be willing to stay for the right price, but when you wait until free agency to determine what your next contract will be, you're inherently saying that you want to see what is the highest price the market will offer you for your services and which teams are actively interested in you so you can pick the combination of team plus contract that is most appealing to you. And a team in the Sharks' position, with one of the worst records in the league and likely a lottery team for the next two seasons at minimum while their prospect pool matures can't function on hopium that just because you're a good guy with a good work ethic and a good locker room guy that you're gonna want to come back to a losing situation. If you actually are willing to do a short contract for a workable number that the Sharks are willing to pay, you had every opportunity to talk to the team and try to work out that deal. I'm sure the Sharks have had preliminary discussions of that nature with every single UFA that they would be willing to have come back next year.

What @Sheng Peng thinks he knows about Granlund's willingness to come back really doesn't matter. The Sharks can't afford to take those kinds of chances when pretty much any player with options is gonna pick a better winning situation if the money is comparable. At least with the picks in hand, you have some capital you can use to trade for guys who have to show up if you can't convince any free agents to come.

I do get his point that the risks from losing both veteran presences could cause serious harm to development or locker room chemistry, but I also don't think that outweighs making a shrewd business play. Good GMing is a balance of both, and so far we haven't seen anything from Grier that makes me worry about his ability to balance that.

All that said, I do feel like even Sheng was wishy-washy about his take. He usually is quite confident in his delivery and assertion of facts, and seemed to speak with some trepidation when laying out his argument. In contrast, he sharply countered some of Keegan's claims with said confidence. (caveat - i listen at 1.5x speed so i could be missing this entirely)

Maybe he was struggling with the heart vs head of this trade