GDT: New Jersey Satans vs Boston Bears 7:30PM at The Rock on NBCSN part deuce

[School]

the rebound by jagr after the initial shot he already saved, 90 seconds into the game, while zajac and the defense is off diddling themselves? you mean that goal?

yes the one when jagr was left completely untouched at the top of the circles for 5mins.. the puck still never should of when through him from 12 inches out after the first shot was saved

marty was not the reason we lost im just saying that should of been stopped

i also couldnt believe how many slow telegraphed passes we attempted at center ice and in the offensive zone

 

[MartyOwns]

Correct.

Anyone losing their mind about not getting a couple mid round picks at the deadline should re-assess their priorities.

The greater issues with Lou was the Salvador re-signing and re-signing both Marty and Hedberg to two year deals. Possibly a lack of initiative on Semin, but we don't know the real story there.

is this that hard to understand? lol. BECAUSE of lou's boneheaded moves/lack of moves, he SHOULDVE salvaged something from this season by acquiring picks.. it doesnt have to be one or the other

 

[Devils Dominion]

It looks like Clarkson already mailed it in as a Devil and knows he's out of here.

 

[MadDevil]

The only real issue I've had with Lou recently is Salvador's contract. The money isn't terrible, but giving him three years was not a good idea. Especially given that both Volchenkov and Tallinder were already under contract through next year. That's over $10 million this year and next for three defensive defensemen who bring nothing to the table offensively.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

is this that hard to understand? lol. BECAUSE of lou's boneheaded moves/lack of moves, he SHOULDVE salvaged something from this season by acquiring picks.. it doesnt have to be one or the other

Maybe you're right, Lou should have done that. But the loss of not doing that is like a 20% chance of getting an NHL player down the road. It's not a huge deal. So anyone flipping **** over it is really flipping **** over very little.

 

[RNCDevil]

is this that hard to understand? lol. BECAUSE of lou's boneheaded moves/lack of moves, he SHOULDVE salvaged something from this season by acquiring picks.. it doesnt have to be one or the other

And re-signing BOTH BARCH AND JANSSEN. It eats up contracts. Lou is not going to give up on this team or coach. There's too much positive. It's not Maclean-ian enough to dismantle. It sucks they lost but I admired the hard work last night.

 

[MartyOwns]

You might not give a **** what other GM's do, but the reality is that what other GM's do is indicative of what the reality in the league is. If no other GM in the last decade has ever sold off their best player at the deadline while in a playoff spot, it probably means that it's generally known to be a dumb move.

who said anything about their best player? i meant sell off one of the EIGHT ****ING DEFENSEMEN on this team- something NO OTHER GM HAS. talk about a dumb move

 

[guitarguyvic]

Maybe you're right, Lou should have done that. But the loss of not doing that is like a 20% chance of getting an NHL player down the road. It's not a huge deal. So anyone flipping **** over it is really flipping **** over very little.

Exactly. The few examples of deadline trades that are being cited are
1) Teams that were not actually in a playoff position at the deadline, or
2) Traded players that were aging, under-achieving, or role players, and
3) Received little more than mid-round picks in return.

Honestly, Lou could have traded some of our more useless guys, but you have no idea what the returns were looking like. At the end of the day, if all we were getting back was mid round or lower picks, then maybe Lou felt the team had a better chance of getting back on track as is over the likelihood that any of those crappy picks would ever pan out in the NHL. It could go either way, but it certainly isn't anything that makes him a bad GM.

I brought up the Parise topic because that's one that gets cited a lot, and there is literally no GM in NHL history that has ever traded a great player in those circumstances barring a locker-room or off-ice issue.

The biggest criticism you can give Lou is the contracts he gives out. But let's face it...almost every GM in the league now gives out stupid contracts to players that don't deserve them.

 

[MartyOwns]

Maybe you're right, Lou should have done that. But the loss of not doing that is like a 20% chance of getting an NHL player down the road. It's not a huge deal. So anyone flipping **** over it is really flipping **** over very little.

i knew there was a % in there somewhere. its about draft picks. its about cap space (when the cap is decreasing every year). its about a lot of things. it was the smart move for lou to make, and he didnt. and really, im not surprised anymore

It sucks they lost but I admired the hard work last night.

i wouldve said this a week ago. now? theres something else going on. getting into a 3-0 hole early isnt going to win you hockey games...not with this squad, not against the BRUINS.

i dont care about effort. we can effort ourselves all we want, we need results. not corsi results, not KSYFDRSJD % figures, ****ing WINS. POINTS.

You might not give a **** what other GM's do, but the reality is that what other GM's do is indicative of what the reality in the league is. If no other GM in the last decade has ever sold off their best player at the deadline while in a playoff spot, it probably means that it's generally known to be a dumb move.

oh, and, read the rest of my post. lou put himself in this position, and didnt do a damn thing to put us in a better position next year. theres a huge difference between lou and the other GM's. before, at least we could laugh at the islanders. now they are in the top 8. were this close to being the ****ing laughingstock of the east

 

[Tundra]

oh, and, read the rest of my post. lou put himself in this position, and didnt do a damn thing to put us in a better position next year. theres a huge difference between lou and the other GM's. before, at least we could laugh at the islanders. now they are in the top 8. were this close to being the ****ing laughingstock of the east

Lou let this essentially happen before Parise left. That's the point.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

i knew there was a % in there somewhere. its about draft picks. its about cap space (when the cap is decreasing every year). its about a lot of things. it was the smart move for lou to make, and he didnt. and really, im not surprised anymore

Lol.

"it's about the draft picks." You ridicule me for actually having an objective basis for my arguments, but the draft picks you're worrying about have a very small chance of helping our NHL team in the future. Yeah, it'd be nice to have them, on the off chance they succeed, but it's not a big deal. You're simply letting your distaste for the team's performance as a whole infect every argument you make.

And cap space? The Devils don't have an issue with cap space. Tallinder could easily be dealt in the summer if we need cap space. Volchenkov will likely be an amnesty buyout (I hope). Zidlicky, Clarkson, Elias, and Zubrus are all FAs. If there's one thing we don't have to worry about, it's cap space.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

Did they sell off their captain and best player?

The few examples so far have all been for mediocre and/or under-achieving and/or aging players. None of them were more than mere role players for their teams.

Still waiting for an example of a team selling off a GREAT player while in a playoff spot.

I was referring to THIS year, not years past. Lou could have sold Zidlicky and Clarkson for some decent picks or prospects to fill Albany but he was hoping the mediocrity would subside and we'd stay in the hunt. With Kovy out I think everyone was kidding themselves if they thought Sullivan was the missing piece to hold us through until Kovy was well. With or without Zidlicky and Clarkson I think the same destiny was coming - miss the playoffs or squeak in and go out in the first round. The writing was on the wall so why not cash in for what you can? It was not on the wall with Parise here last season. I don't blame him one minute for sticking tight to keeping him.

who said anything about their best player? i meant sell off one of the EIGHT ****ING DEFENSEMEN on this team- something NO OTHER GM HAS. talk about a dumb move

Yes, he should have moved a D early in the season after seeing Larsson had improved from last year. Problem was the most tradeable piece, Tallinder went and got injured. That ruined the value. Deadline he could have also, but we know from the post-deadline reports he was in on talks but the price going the other way was too steep and sacrificed the future.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Why did the Devils go deep in the playoffs last year? They got good goaltending, and some pucks started making their way in a bit. Their system was exactly the same as it is now.

If this team gets good goaltending, they win. If they don't, they lose.

Uh, not really. Sure goaltending was better, but their recipe for success last year was efficient forechecking and alot of time in offensive zone. Forecheck this year is practically non-existent.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Definitely should have shipped out a dman this year. Not only that but he signed Salvador for 3 damn years to set him up for that.

Reminds me a lot of when we were in cap hell a few years back and couldn't ice a full roster for a few days

 

[davebenj]

They haven't beaten Boston in like 2 and half seasons have they? (and now losers of 8 in a row) This is easily the worst Devils team in the past 20 years without question.

 

[Tundra]

Definitely should have shipped out a dman this year. Not only that but he signed Salvador for 3 damn years to set him up for that.

Reminds me a lot of when we were in cap hell a few years back and couldn't ice a full roster for a few days

But we weren't privy to the internal discussions obviously. However, if Murray netted a 2nd rounder though, I find it hard to believe that Volch couldn't have brought back a third, especially if we agreed to eat some of the remaining contract.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Uh, not really. Sure goaltending was better, but their recipe for success last year was efficient forechecking and alot of time in offensive zone. Forecheck this year is practically non-existent.

I don't think that's true.

Even the worst assailers of this year's team would probably admit that the one thing we're good at is controlling the puck in the other team's end. You're not good at that without having a good forecheck.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

said from the start that we shouldve shipped a dman not only for a pick, but to get rid of the stupid merry-go-round. oh well. now we're stuck with old farts who cant play, a lost d group as a whole, and no picks acquired. well done lou!

 

[MartyOwns]

Lol.

"it's about the draft picks." You ridicule me for actually having an objective basis for my arguments, but the draft picks you're worrying about have a very small chance of helping our NHL team in the future. Yeah, it'd be nice to have them, on the off chance they succeed, but it's not a big deal. You're simply letting your distaste for the team's performance as a whole infect every argument you make.

And cap space? The Devils don't have an issue with cap space. Tallinder could easily be dealt in the summer if we need cap space. Volchenkov will likely be an amnesty buyout (I hope). Zidlicky, Clarkson, Elias, and Zubrus are all FAs. If there's one thing we don't have to worry about, it's cap space.

look if you dont see the value in draft picks- whether they are used or traded to upgrade later- im nto going to sit here and try to convince you. i understand that draft picks are not as exciting as graph paper, but they do have value. ask any GM, or anyone who has ever heard of the sport of hockey.

and yeah, youre right. lets keep 8 defensemen on, because we're going to make/do damage in the playoffs, AND because we already have tons of cap space. (hi, elias!) i cant even tell if youre being serious at this point

 

[Tundra]

look if you dont see the value in draft picks- whether they are used or traded to upgrade later- im nto going to sit here and try to convince you. i understand that draft picks are not as exciting as graph paper, but they do have value. ask any GM, or anyone who has ever heard of the sport of hockey.

and yeah, youre right. lets keep 8 defensemen on, because we're going to make/do damage in the playoffs, AND because we already have tons of cap space. (hi, elias!) i cant even tell if youre being serious at this point

More picks are essentially like accumulating more raffle tickets. Like they say, you have to be in it, to win it! For example, Boucher was nabbed in the 4th round and has exceeded expectations given his draft position.

 

[MartyOwns]

They haven't beaten Boston in like 2 and half seasons have they? (and now losers of 8 in a row) This is easily the worst Devils team in the past 20 years without question.

nah, its martys fault

 

[DevilChuk*]

People blaming Marty are a little ridiculous (not the above post, the actual people blaming Marty).

He was left out to dry 5 times in the first three minutes of the game, including the penalty shot he saved.

The only goal I fault him on was Seguin's. Only because it looked like he wasn't expecting a shot there and was late reacting to it. Still, though.. you had Fayne and Greene (I think) both standing there.. they got beat to the dump-in and then neither man picked up Seguin on top of that.

Defense was brutal yesterday.. which sucks because the offense actually had a good night. Not just because they scored 4 times but because they controlled most of the play and forced Khoudobin to make several nice stops.

But yea, it's looking like we need to go 6-2 to have a shot at the playoffs. And for a team who's now winless in their past 8.. that's alot to ask for.

 

[ILikeItVeryMuch*]

Piss out my ass

 

[mcbain942*]

all devils defense fault all season long. our captain is the worst -13 on the team, nobody is even close. I don't know whether to have stevens fired or put the C on his suit

 

[DevilChuk*]

all devils defense fault all season long. our captain is the worst -13 on the team, nobody is even close. I don't know whether to have stevens fired or put the C on his suit

We have a bottom 5 offense in the league and we're going to blame everything on the defense? I mean, it hasn't been great but our inability to score is destroying us... not our middle of the pack defense.