GDT: New Jersey Devils vs. Boston Bruins: Preseason Finale, The Zacha Bowl

[devilsblood]

He was crying, while giving you a rim shot, because you shot Nico. (It was a very layered gif reply.)

Ya I only went a couple layers deep.

 

[devilsblood]

And?

He's shown no indications he's going to morph back into what he once was.

If anything, he's gotten worse.

Age makes no difference if you lose the ability to be a competent goaltender.

Now do I want him to be that goaltender again? sure I do but the past several seasons put the kibosh on any hope of that ever happening.

This board may be "effin crazy" but this take of mine isn't.

He was also banged up/had covid over the last two years.

If Blackwood is healthy im fully confident that he’s a competent NHL goalie.

 

[Bleedred]

If Blackwood is healthy im fully confident that he’s a competent NHL goalie.

I'm certainly not.

His AHL career showed shades of what might be to come.

His first two years in the NHL were solid, but not great. The first year he wasn't used a whole lot. The second year he was.

He was certainly better in 19-20 than any goalie we had in the organization since 15-16 Schneider, but he also was not nearly as good as 15-16 (or pre) Schneider.

I think he's probably better than last year, the question is just by how much?

If he does struggle again, do we still say he's not healthy and then give him YET ANOTHER chance in 23-24? At what point do we say when?

 

[glenwo2]

He was also banged up/had covid over the last two years.

If Blackwood is healthy im fully confident that he’s a competent NHL goalie.

He was healthy last game and looked absolutely timid in handling the puck or trying to cover up the puck when it came to him.

He also gave up a five-hole goal that he could've had.

He looked very shaky, db, and does not instill me, as a Devils fan, with confidence that he can be "that guy" going forward.

I think the Starting job is Vtec's to lose at this point.

 

[devilsblood]

I'm certainly not.

His AHL career showed shades of what might be to come.

His first two years in the NHL were solid, but not great. The first year he wasn't used a whole lot. The second year he was.

He was certainly better in 19-20 than any goalie we had in the organization since 15-16 Schneider, but he also was not nearly as good as 15-16 (or pre) Schneider.

I think he's probably better than last year, the question is just by how much?

If he does struggle again, do we still say he's not healthy and then give him YET ANOTHER chance in 23-24? At what point do we say when?

This is a bit of a make or break season. But assuming another injury filled season I could see him back in a situation similar to Bernier this season. Kind of a 3rd goalie insurance policy.

He was healthy last game and looked absolutely timid in handling the puck or trying to cover up the puck when it came to him.

He also gave up a five-hole goal that he could've had.

He looked very shaky, db, and does not instill me, as a Devils fan, with confidence that he can be "that guy" going forward.

I think the Starting job is Vtec's to lose at this point.

Vtec may very well claim the #1 spot while Blackwood settles in as a solid #2. That to me would be a great scenario for the Devils.

 

[Bleedred]

This is a bit of a make or break season. But assuming another injury filled season I could see him back in a situation similar to Bernier this season. Kind of a 3rd goalie insurance policy.

That would be (yet again) an expensive insurance policy, considering he's not currently signed for next year and his qualifying offer is $3 million dollars.

I'm sure he would play for someone else for less than $3 million (like Samsonov is), but would he play here for less than $3 million?

With Bernier, he was already under contract for this season at the time he got hurt.

 

[glenwo2]

This is a bit of a make or break season. But assuming another injury filled season I could see him back in a situation similar to Bernier this season. Kind of a 3rd goalie insurance policy.


Vtec may very well claim the #1 spot while Blackwood settles in as a solid #2. That to me would be a great scenario for the Devils.

Yep.

 

[devilsblood]

That would be (yet again) an expensive insurance policy, considering he's not currently signed for next year and his qualifying offer is $3 million dollars.

I'm sure he would play for someone else for less than $3 million (like Samsonov is), but would he play here for less than $3 million?

With Bernier, he was already under contract for this season at the time he got hurt.

Maybe Daws or Schmid show themselves as worthy candidates to be # 2’s? Not clear cut guys though, so you want that insurance. They would be cheap so an expensive insurance policy is ok.

And maybe the scenario should be Blackwood has a meh season, not another terrible injury filled season.

Or even a solid #2 quality season. .910 save% type season.

 

[grab]

Why was Blackwood replaced, injury? Please tell me, I'm writing through a translator

 

[Bleedred]

Why was Blackwood replaced, injury? Please tell me, I'm writing through a translator

It turned out that it was just a planned split.

You normally don't see that this late in the preseason or the preseason finale, but that's all it was.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

whadaf?.. Ok, we understood your Sharangovich positiion. Dream world, where in the real one even teams like Avelanche, Bruins, Pens, Caps, freakin Bolts etc don`t have six 24-goals scorers, magic land, we sleep and see, but Hischier? Seriously? He produced 60 points in 70 games. What you are actually waiting from second center? Malkin\Forsberg\Fedorov level?

We didnt have last season a clear 1C and 2C. Nor clear 1st and 2nd line, meaning Nico also got 1st line minutes and opportunities which contribute toward his point total. So not sure how to compare that to team with established 1C and 2C.

Id like Nico to crack 80p in a season, that'd make a 2C of a contender (Kadri scored 87p last reg. Season in 71 games). I think he got what it takes to make it happen too, hopefully this is the season.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I wish I could actually guess what game this was last year, but unfortunately there were a few too many of these that I can't quite pinpoint it.

I'm gonna say it was either the Arizona game (I don't think he got pulled in that one). The Detroit game in the season finale was PATHETIC, but he didn't get pulled in that one. Literally 3 of the 4 goals against were bad. They kept taking the lead, we kept tying it, he kept giving them one back and it was too late in the game to keep tying it by that point.

I think the horrible game against the Flyers was in Philly. I think he did get pulled in that one.

His game against the Panthers that I went to was also really bad. He got pulled halfway through regulation. He started out the game in Tampa pretty bad with two weak, leaky goals early on, but rebounded to have one of his best games of the season.

Ding ding ding

 

[Devs3cups]

We didnt have last season a clear 1C and 2C. Nor clear 1st and 2nd line, meaning Nico also got 1st line minutes and opportunities which contribute toward his point total. So not sure how to compare that to team with established 1C and 2C.

Id like Nico to crack 80p in a season, that'd make a 2C of a contender (Kadri scored 87p last reg. Season in 71 games). I think he got what it takes to make it happen too, hopefully this is the season.

2009-2010: Blackhawks: 2C P. Sharp: 66 pts in 82 games (0.80 PPG)
2010-2011: Bruins: 2C P. Bergeron: 57 pts in 80 games (0.71 PPG)
2011-2012: Kings: 2C M. Richards: 44 pts in 74 games (0.59 PPG)
2012-2013: Blackhawks: 2C P. Sharp: 20 pts in 28 games (0.71 PPG)
2013-2014: Kings: 2C J. Carter: 50 pts in 72 games (0.69 PPG)
2014-2015: Blackhawks: 2C B. Richards: 37 pts in 76 games (0.49 PPG)
2015-2016: Penguins: 2C E. Malkin: 58 pts in 57 games (1.01 PPG)
2016-2017: Penguins: 2C E. Malkin: 72 pts in 62 games (1.16 PPG)
2017-2018: Washington: 2C N. Backstrom (Yes, Kuznetsov was 1C): 71 pts in 81 games (0.87 PPG)
2018-2019: St. Louis: 2C B. Schenn: 54 pts in 72 games (0.75 PPG)
2019-2020: Tampa Bay: 2C B. Point: 64 pts in 66 games (0.96 PPG)
2020-2021: Tampa Bay: 2C B. Point: 48 pts in 56 games (0.86 PPG)
2021-2022: Colorado: 2C N. Kadri: 87 pts in 71 games (1.22 PPG)

Nico Hischier 2021-2022: 60 pts in 70 games (0.86 PPG)

In the last 13 seasons, only 4 2C's (Malkin (x2), Backstrom, Point and Kadri) have scored at a higher rate than Nico has last season and ended up winning the Cup. I would've liked to do this exercise with every contender throughout those years, but that would've taken hours lol.

Now these are statistics from Hockey Reference and the 2C's might not be 100% accurate since I don't remember the exact line combinations for each year, but I went off point totals, old line references I could find, and my memory. It paints a pretty good picture of the type of production a 2C should have.

 

[Rynewed]

2009-2010: Blackhawks: 2C P. Sharp: 66 pts in 82 games (0.80 PPG)
2010-2011: Bruins: 2C P. Bergeron: 57 pts in 80 games (0.71 PPG)
2011-2012: Kings: 2C M. Richards: 44 pts in 74 games (0.59 PPG)
2012-2013: Blackhawks: 2C P. Sharp: 20 pts in 28 games (0.71 PPG)
2013-2014: Kings: 2C J. Carter: 50 pts in 72 games (0.69 PPG)
2014-2015: Blackhawks: 2C B. Richards: 37 pts in 76 games (0.49 PPG)
2015-2016: Penguins: 2C E. Malkin: 58 pts in 57 games (1.01 PPG)
2016-2017: Penguins: 2C E. Malkin: 72 pts in 62 games (1.16 PPG)
2017-2018: Washington: 2C N. Backstrom (Yes, Kuznetsov was 1C): 71 pts in 81 games (0.87 PPG)
2018-2019: St. Louis: 2C B. Schenn: 54 pts in 72 games (0.75 PPG)
2019-2020: Tampa Bay: 2C B. Point: 64 pts in 66 games (0.96 PPG)
2020-2021: Tampa Bay: 2C B. Point: 48 pts in 56 games (0.86 PPG)
2021-2022: Colorado: 2C N. Kadri: 87 pts in 71 games (1.22 PPG)

Nico Hischier 2021-2022: 60 pts in 70 games (0.86 PPG)

In the last 13 seasons, only 4 2C's (Malkin (x2), Backstrom, Point and Kadri) have scored at a higher rate than Nico has last season and ended up winning the Cup. I would've liked to do this exercise with every contender throughout those years, but that would've taken hours lol.

Now these are statistics from Hockey Reference and the 2C's might not be 100% accurate since I don't remember the exact line combinations for each year, but I went off point totals, old line references I could find, and my memory. It paints a pretty good picture of the type of production a 2C should have.

Seek help if you chose white text on purpose

 

[glenwo2]

^^^ Telling someone to seek help won't win you many friends around here.

Just saying....

 

[Guttersniped]

Ding ding ding

Well if you were at the Arizona game: 1) My condolences, so was I and it was brutal. 2) Blackwood was put on the IR and shutdown for over 3 months right after that game. So he probably wasn’t feeling great that day.

 

[Rynewed]

^^^ Telling someone to seek help won't win you many friends around here.

Just saying....

His mental sanity is more important than friendship

 

[Guttersniped]

Seek help if you chose white text on purpose

^^^ Telling someone to seek help won't win you many friends around here.

Just saying....

Eh, I assume it was a joke (he was talking about a post’s text color).

I was going to make a joke about just going with invisible ink instead because the white text is both completely unreadable and an eye sore.

I didn’t even know that was a choice here and it’s not a good one visually. I ain’t reading it.

 

[Bleedred]

Well if you were at the Arizona game: 1) My condolences, so was I and it was brutal. 2) Blackwood was put on the IR and shutdown for over 3 months right after that game. So he probably wasn’t feeling great that day.

Blackwood also had a really bad game against Arizona at home back in like October of 2019. Those had to have been the last two times the Yotes visited Newark, as we didn't play them at all in 2020-2021.

Both games were like 4 goals on under 20 shots. Both games were almost carbon copies of one another.

That game in 2019 was the reason that Cory was thrown in the next game, which was the one where he allowed 7 goals on like 23 shots in a 7-6 OT loss to Tampa Bay and the second to last start he got before being waived 3 weeks later.

All of this was happening while Ray Shero had Tom Fitzgerald down on the bench keeping Hynes coaching stint alive aritifically.

 

[Devs3cups]

Seek help if you chose white text on purpose

Didn’t even think about that, I use the “night version” so white text is standard lol, my bad!

Eh, I assume it was a joke (he was talking about a post’s text color).

I was going to make a joke about just going with invisible ink instead because the white text is both completely unreadable and an eye sore.

I didn’t even know that was a choice here and it’s not a good one visually. I ain’t reading it.

Yeah, I use the “night version” so the white text is standard, sorry about that I didn’t think about it lol!

 

[glenwo2]

Eh, I assume it was a joke (he was talking about a post’s text color).

I was going to make a joke about just going with invisible ink instead because the white text is both completely unreadable and an eye sore.

I didn’t even know that was a choice here and it’s not a good one visually. I ain’t reading it.

Yeah....that's...umm....quite a joke. Ha ha, or something.

I guess my sense of humor differs from most here. Oh well.

 

[Guttersniped]

Didn’t even think about that, I use the “night version” so white text is standard lol, my bad!


Yeah, I use the “night version” so the white text is standard, sorry about that I didn’t think about it lol!

The Night version was too edgy for me.

 

[Bone Density]

If anyone wants to torture themselves with Edwards and Brickley.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

2009-2010: Blackhawks: 2C P. Sharp: 66 pts in 82 games (0.80 PPG)
2010-2011: Bruins: 2C P. Bergeron: 57 pts in 80 games (0.71 PPG)
2011-2012: Kings: 2C M. Richards: 44 pts in 74 games (0.59 PPG)
2012-2013: Blackhawks: 2C P. Sharp: 20 pts in 28 games (0.71 PPG)
2013-2014: Kings: 2C J. Carter: 50 pts in 72 games (0.69 PPG)
2014-2015: Blackhawks: 2C B. Richards: 37 pts in 76 games (0.49 PPG)
2015-2016: Penguins: 2C E. Malkin: 58 pts in 57 games (1.01 PPG)
2016-2017: Penguins: 2C E. Malkin: 72 pts in 62 games (1.16 PPG)
2017-2018: Washington: 2C N. Backstrom (Yes, Kuznetsov was 1C): 71 pts in 81 games (0.87 PPG)
2018-2019: St. Louis: 2C B. Schenn: 54 pts in 72 games (0.75 PPG)
2019-2020: Tampa Bay: 2C B. Point: 64 pts in 66 games (0.96 PPG)
2020-2021: Tampa Bay: 2C B. Point: 48 pts in 56 games (0.86 PPG)
2021-2022: Colorado: 2C N. Kadri: 87 pts in 71 games (1.22 PPG)

Nico Hischier 2021-2022: 60 pts in 70 games (0.86 PPG)

In the last 13 seasons, only 4 2C's (Malkin (x2), Backstrom, Point and Kadri) have scored at a higher rate than Nico has last season and ended up winning the Cup. I would've liked to do this exercise with every contender throughout those years, but that would've taken hours lol.

Now these are statistics from Hockey Reference and the 2C's might not be 100% accurate since I don't remember the exact line combinations for each year, but I went off point totals, old line references I could find, and my memory. It paints a pretty good picture of the type of production a 2C should have.

Nico has been pretty much our 1C (which should not be the case this season anymore). I just dont think his stats are comparable to what you just posted.

I am not trying to say Nico is shit, i like the guy. I just think that once he is fitted into his role as the 2C behind Jack he also needs to rack up points for the Devils team to be competitive. If last year's high-scoring season happens again, it means Nico needs to get closer to 80 (and Jack 100p) for this team to be relevant.