Prospect Info: New Jersey Devils Draft Simon Nemec, 2nd Overall

[Eggtimer]

He’s so low that he had him as a top 3 pick and the first dmen taken in the draft.

I wrote word for word “ maybe he heaps on praise afterwards”.
Not sure why you went midevil on my ass .
Listen / watch the video though. Like I said ,” maybe he heaps on praise after but the first half of the video sounds like he hates the player as a prospect.” So he must do that after if you say he ranked him in the top 3 and first Dman taken, but you’d never guess that if you watched the forst portion of video

 

[devilsblood]

I don’t see a board where both Wright and Nemec get past 4. In the world we don’t win the lottery Arizona picks Cooley, Seattle picks Nemec and the Flyers you would think take Wright unless they were so invested in going type with their pick and still picking Gauthier even over Wright

So then why are you so worked up about this?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

It reads to me like they were surprised Slaf got taken and hadn’t considered any kind of contingency for trading down before that point

Their "next best choice" literally means they took the highest guy on their board. Yeah, if someone blew them away or they were convinced Nemec would still be there, I'm sure they made/took some calls. It would have been negligence not to.

 

[Blender]

Their "next best choice" literally means they took the highest guy on their board. Yeah, if someone blew them away or they were convinced Nemec would still be there, I'm sure they made/took some calls. It would have been negligence not to.

They probably thought Wright would go #1 to Montreal, which isn't surprising since that was still the expectation until an hour or so before the draft.

 

[devilsblood]

It reads to me like they were surprised Slaf got taken and hadn’t considered any kind of contingency for trading down before that point

So the guy they wanted the most was gone, so they picked the guy they wanted the second most? And this is a knife of sorts?

 

[Bcap88]

Seattle wanted nemec what are you gonna do trade down 1 spot with Arizona who didn’t even want weight ? Lol

 

[NJDevs26]

So then why are you so worked up about this?

Again for like the tenth time in this thread, it isn’t so much who they picked, it’s the fact they admittedly went for need once their dream pick was off the board, and it isn’t the first time this management has apparently used a high pick for type as much as if not more than BPA but this debate has been had here already.

 

[devilsblood]

I wrote word for word “ maybe he heaps on praise afterwards”.
Not sure why you went pasice aggressive on my ass .
Listen / watch the video though. Like I said ,” maybe he heaps on praise after but the first half of the video sounds like he hates the player as a prospect.” So he must do that after if you say he ranked him in the top 3 and first Dman taken, but you’d never guess that if you watched the forst portion of video

We kind of had this same discussion regarding Scouch's appraisal of Slaf.

Again for like the tenth time in this thread, it isn’t so much who they picked, it’s the fact they admittedly went for need once their dream pick was off the board and it isn’t the first time this management has apparently done so but this debate has been had here already.

Forgive me for rehashing, but you are still here and still complaining about the pick, I figure it's fair game.

But if you have a bunch of guys at a certain tier, and one of those guys addresses an organizational need, I say make the need pick.

Like I've been saying, too many posters are still in the 2020 mindset where Wright is the clear cut BPA. But in 2022 he just isn't.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Again for like the tenth time in this thread, it isn’t so much who they picked, it’s the fact they admittedly went for need once their dream pick was off the board, and it isn’t the first time this management has apparently used a high pick for type as much as if not more than BPA but this debate has been had here already.

But again, that quote says exactly the opposite?

 

[NJDevs26]

So the guy they wanted the most was gone, so they picked the guy they wanted the second most? And this is a knife of sorts?

If you have any real consideration of trading down you make contingency plans before the draft since there's a 50% chance your guy get taken. If they weren't considering trading down at all or only for a king's ransom that would have been what leaked instead of 'Montreal took our guy, then they considered a trade down but ran out of time'. Fitz himself admitted he came close to trading the pick (though it could have been the rumored Thachuk offer).

 

[Blender]

Again for like the tenth time in this thread, it isn’t so much who they picked, it’s the fact they admittedly went for need once their dream pick was off the board, and it isn’t the first time this management has apparently used a high pick for type as much as if not more than BPA but this debate has been had here already.

That is not at all what the quote says. Come on.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Idk the most logical scenario is Nemec was #2 on their board. They looked to see if they could trade back and still draft him. Found out he wouldn't (Seattle would have taken him instead) so they just took their guy.

Idk this simply doesn't seem that complicated.

 

[NJDevs26]

But again, that quote says exactly the opposite?

All it says is that he was #2 on their board. Doesn't say WHY he was #2 on their board which is part of the dispute since some of us took the Fitz interview after the pick as a tacit admission need played heavily into it while others didn't, or don't care. But you can't roast Shero for going for 'need' with McLeod or Lou with Zacha and not say anything about this.

 

[Blender]

All it says is that he was #2 on their board. Doesn't say WHY he was #2 on their board.

So you're just making a narrative up that he's #2 because of position? You've based this conclusion on exactly what?

 

[BananaGenetics]

It reads to me like they were surprised Slaf got taken and hadn’t considered any kind of contingency for trading down before that point

I feel like that was probably hashed out pre-draft, that scenario and what to do

Entertain calls and if nothing good just take the guy they like best next. Nemec was probably #2 for them with him having played pro since 15 and being great internationally/in the playoffs

Jiricek was a better fit for sure but they clearly didnt have him as high, otherwise you take need between the closely tanked prospects.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

If you have any real consideration of trading down you make contingency plans before the draft since there's a 50% chance your guy get taken. If they weren't considering trading down at all or only for a king's ransom that would have been what leaked instead of 'Montreal took our guy, then they considered a trade down but ran out of time'. Fitz himself admitted he came close to trading the pick (though it could have been the rumored Thachuk offer).

Ultimately, what are we talking about here? Trading down a few spots, likely ensuring you don't get the #2 guy on your board and instead are left with someone potentially #5/6/7 to gain...a second round pick? Two second round picks?

It's not even a worthwhile tangent. One hundred times out of a hundred, especially in the situation we're in, would I want the GM to take the guy he likes the most in that situation. Only if they truly had a bunch of guys in the same tier is it even worth discussing.

And again, the idea that FItzgerald "admitted" picking for need is a nonsense conclusion from a two sentence throwaway interview on live tv and anonymously sourced tweet.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

We went over this but again: Nemec was our guy. Seattle loved Nemec. If you trade back with Philly or CBJ you put Wright/Cooley in the division and miss Nemec. Where is this trade we should’ve made?

 

[Unknown Caller]

Someone trying to leak damage control after a knife came out with the LeBrun quote

32 Thoughts was recorded way before the LeBrun quote, but ok.

 

[Blender]

We went over this but again: Nemec was our guy. Seattle loved Nemec. If you trade back with Philly or CBJ you put Wright/Cooley in the division and miss Nemec. Where is this trade we should’ve made?

It only exists if Arizona, Seattle, Philadelphia, or Columbus want to make the trade and they all don't want Nemec. There clearly wasn't a trade to be made where we still get him.

 

[Unknown Caller]

It reads to me like they were surprised Slaf got taken and hadn’t considered any kind of contingency for trading down before that point

Insane that you actually believe that the Devils had zero plan if Slafkovsky went first. Like what do you think they’ve been discussing for weeks? The concession stand offerings for next season?

 

[Emperoreddy]

Insane that you actually believe that the Devils had zero plan if Slafkovsky went first. Like what do you think they’ve been discussing for weeks? The concession stand offerings for next season?

I hope they were. Concessions were weak last year.

 

[Triumph]

Ultimately, what are we talking about here? Trading down a few spots, likely ensuring you don't get the #2 guy on your board and instead are left with someone potentially #5/6/7 to gain...a second round pick? Two second round picks?

It's not even a worthwhile tangent. One hundred times out of a hundred, especially in the situation we're in, would I want the GM to take the guy he likes the most in that situation. Only if they truly had a bunch of guys in the same tier is it even worth discussing.

And again, the idea that FItzgerald "admitted" picking for need is a nonsense conclusion from a two sentence throwaway interview on live tv and anonymously sourced tweet.

It's so baffling because --- it isn't a need! The Devils have Severson and Hamilton! If they re-sign Severson they can have the right side sorted for 4 more years. It's an organizational need - the right side was barren - but it's not a present roster need.

 

[Billdo]

So you're just making a narrative up that he's #2 because of position? You've based this conclusion on exactly what?

Because he doesn't like the Nemec pick.

 

[NJDevs26]

Insane that you actually believe that the Devils had zero plan if Slafkovsky went first. Like what do you think they’ve been discussing for weeks? The concession stand offerings for next season?

You can not believe the quote, think it's out of context or someone's just lying but how else does that possibly read to anyone?

 

[swiiscompos]

Insane that you actually believe that the Devils had zero plan if Slafkovsky went first. Like what do you think they’ve been discussing for weeks? The concession stand offerings for next season?

What people don't realize is that the contingency plan was exactly what happened: If Slaf wasn't available they would try to see if another team was willing to overpay to move up, and if not they would take the guy they had at n.2 on their list.