Prospect Info: New Jersey Devils Draft Simon Nemec, 2nd Overall

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Ok, I'm going to do my best here because it was a big night for me and the Red Wings draft party I attended wound up at a multitude of bars.

Here's the sentence you all need to read: Simon Nemec is an outstanding RD prospect, but his selection at #2 overall was not ideal and the result of poor asset management for two years of Fitzgerald's GM tenure.

This is sort of a "good news and bad news" post. No Devils fans should be jumping off bridges, but no Devils fans should be jumping over the moon, either. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Because it's this simple: if the Devils took RD Scott Morrow over Chase Stillman last year, this pick is probably not made. If the Devils traded down in 2020 from #20 to take Brock Faber or traded up to #19 to take Braeden Schneider, this pick is probably not made. Heck, if the Devils took Ryan Ufko or Luca Munzenberger instead of Samu Salminen in the 3rd round last year, this pick might be different.

The Devils are bereft at RD. All the system contains is a 3rd pairing stay-at-home guy in Case McCarthy and a likely career AHLer in Reilly Walsh. And for two years, they avoided drafting at the position due to a lack of foresight and strategy. They entered the 2022 draft with a desperate need to fill the position.

Had Montreal drafted Shane Wright at #1, I have no doubt the Devils would have taken Slafkovsky -- another player-type they desperately needed (highly-skilled interior winger to play with Hughes or Hischier). But the Habs went with Slafkovsky, and the Devils did not have a solid contingency plan in place.

The best available player was, without any doubt in my mind, Shane Wright. But Wright is a center and the Devils have a ridiculously outstanding top two at C for the foreseeable future in Hughes and Hischier. Personally, I feel the best strategy would have been to either draft the clear best prospect in Wright or to trade down for RD need with Jiricek/Nemec or interior F need with Gauthier.

GM Tom Fitzgerald has not shown this propensity. In 2020, he made a good pick at #20 with Mukhamadullin, but he surely could have traded down (Washington was trying to trade up for Lapierre) and still had his man. He did not. In 2021, Fitz took Stillman at #29, when he likely could have traded down into the mid-2nd round and still gotten him. Now, he took a player at #2 he could have had at #4 or maybe even #5 or #6.

What was the point of winning the lottery then? In the end, it meant nothing. Fitzgerald is certainly not a bad GM, but I feel he is like the GM equivalent of a good 3rd-line forward -- he's great north/south, but offers little in the way of creativity. There should have been multiple contingency plans in place if Slafkovsky went #1. Wright, or a trade down, or a three-way trade, or whatever. But instead, Fitzgerald just took the player they liked the most at the position they needed the most, regardless of the context. He doesn't trade down, and he clearly doesn't like to think at the fly -- rather he just conflates "making a decision" without considering alternatives which can improve his situation as "conviction". It's not conviction, in fact it's a bit of a white flag.

This is three years in a row that Fitzgerald did not maximize the value of a first-round pick. Mukhamadullin might have been the best available "big defenseman" in 2020 and Stillman might have been the best available "power forward" in 2021 and Nemec might have been the best available "right defenseman" in 2022 -- but none of the three were really in the conversation as the best available player, and that's a problem.

I get that Fitz might not have wanted to trade down with a division rival like Philly or Columbus to gift them a potential franchise C in Wright, but again, to me that's just an admission that the Devils brass was aware how great Wright can truly become. It's a white flag. Could the Devils have gotten #6 and #12 for #2 and the rights to Shane Wright plus a prospect like Bahl or Salminen? I guess we'll never truly know.

That being said -- like with Mukhamadullin -- the pick is not a *failure*, and we need to temper our discontent. Because we also need to keep in mind that Simon Nemec is an absolutely outstanding prospect at a very difficult to fill position of RD. He's elite in transition, he's an elite playmaker, he's a great skater and he's very solid defensively. Simon Nemec is a high-floor two-way RD who I'd be shocked if he did not wind up at least a very good second pairing player. He'll be an NHL all-situations minute-muncher, and his upside is a 50+ point, two-way first pairing stud. Simon Nemec is, quite simply, a terrific prospect.

Ultimately, Simon Nemec is a great prospect, but his pick represented poor asset management. Because, quite frankly, if the Devils take Scott Morrow at #29 last year, I think most in the know would agree the pick at #2 this year would have been Shane Wright. And if the Devils had the foresight to work a contingency plan for Slafkovsky at #1, they would have at the very least had a trade-down in place in case Slaf went #1. But I think the final reaction was "oh f**k, Montreal took Slafkovsky" and then we just filled a need.

Again, the converse argument is that the Devils actually did fill a tremendous need. Nemec is an outstanding RD prospect, and likely enters the Devils prospect pool as the #2 prospect behind only Luke Hughes. It's not a *bad* pick. But I think we'll be wondering for a long time if it were the *right* pick, and on that basis we also have to wonder what might have been if the past three drafts were strategized at a higher level.
Just because we could have drafted other RD previously doesn't mean Fitz wouldn't have taken Nemec. He easily could have been BPA.

I'll trust the scouts who have been watching these players and give the draft class some time before having a conclusion.

I like the thought of having a long-term partner for Hughes but it could make it difficult to resign Severson and/or give proper PP time to Dougie/Luke as well. Ultimately if we can move the puck better than other teams and have superior transition offence, it could be well worth it.

Even if Smith turns things around I don’t really see where he fits in. Clearly isn’t fitzy type of defensemen, isn’t strong defensively even at his best and isn’t really needed for the type of role he plays. Is he gonna run the powerplay for us now or in the future with Dougie and Severson right now and Hughes, Nemec, and Mukhammadullin coming?
Ty has one year left to increase his value. I don't see how there could be a spot beyond this upcoming year for him.
 
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I wasn't a fan of Nemec defense. I think Wright is much safier pick.
But first of all, Slaf was gone, and Dougie isn't immortal. After 6 years devils will be in the prime. Nemec elc will end after 4 years minimum.
Nemec has all the tools to be good in his zone. Long path ahead of him.

But if you ask me - Drysdale, Clarke or Nemec, I prefer Nemec easily. And I like Fitz addresses defense. Defense is a money.

Now he is our guy. As defensive defenseman he has better floor than Luke.

I can't say I like it, because I did like Slaf. Its hard for me to cut him out, but Im adult person, ofcourse I can. I love defense, I liked Jiricek more, but Jiricek were risky because of injury and skating. Both have great potential. Nemec is a very smart guy. Good hockey IQ, he have good tools and read the game well. I believe he will be better in his own zone.

We have very mobile defense now. Luke, Dougie, Nemec, Okhotiuk, Siegenthaler. And Damon. I think there is a great defensive and offensive potential. I realy like a squad. Much more than before.

And I really liked the forward squad before, we will see what we will got in second round. There are 1st round level talent still. If Fitz will do everything right and go bpa(i know this is not his style), we will easily draft top 9 level talent.
 

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He's great, but I'm not taking your word for it. You literally made up analytics to downplay Slaf and cried about not getting Debrincat before saying we're too small of a team.
Lol what analytics did I “make up” about Slafkovsky? You legit think that basic NHLe based models don’t take into account the prospect’s league, which is just flat out false. And I never once said the Devils were too small of a team. Quote the posts where I said this.

I’m not going to hijack this thread with another argument with you, please click the ignore button on my posts instead of making shit up out of thin air.
 
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I gotta say I think I’m pretty happy with the outcome overall. Sure it stinks not being able to pick the 6’4 225 winger to play with Nico/jack but we picked the top ranked defenseman who basically won the conn smythe of his league and set records in the playoffs. I actually feel nemec is a safer pick than slafkovsky who is more of a wild card. I really don’t feel upset for passing on Wright especially now that Arizona did too. I think Tom tried to trade down but it wasn’t there. Seattle was happy sitting at 4 getting one of nemec/Cooley/Wright. And maybe the Columbus offer was never there 2 for 6 and 12. Devils didn’t want to make the mistake of drafting Hischier over makar again
 

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Lol what analytics did I “make up” about Slafkovsky? You legit think that basic NHLe based models don’t take into account the prospect’s league, which is just flat out false. And I never once said the Devils were too small of a team. Quote the posts where I said this.

I’m not going to hijack this thread with another argument with you, please click the ignore button on my posts instead of making shit up out of thin air.
They don't lmao. They literally don't. Show me the formula where any form of league ELO is taken into account. It doesn't exist. It's basic data science.

NHLe gets laughed at for a reason lol. It doesn't even work historically. It doesn't even take age into account.

EDIT: It literally says that Auston Matthews year in the Swiss League equates to 39 points in the NHL. 39 f***ing points,
 
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Come on STI. There isn’t a realistic trade down where they would likely still get Nemec. He was clearly the guy they wanted.
You also can’t call it a need pick because you had Wright above or because most people did.
Lots of people had Nemec as a top 2 guy. The Devils and Fitz very possibly could’ve.

If you believe what Fitz is saying he saw there as being 4 guys with similar upside.
So if Slafkovsky went and he views Nemec, Wright, and Cooley as similar level prospects with similar upside as he’s suggested than it makes all the sense in the world for him to take Nemec. But that doesn’t mean it’s a need pick.

They were also obviously perfectly aware that Montreal could take Slafkovsky and very likely were extensively prepared for that situation. Suggesting otherwise is dumb. You know full well they went in with a plan and we’re prepared for the possibility of Slafkovsky being taken first. If Nemec was the guy there wanted it’s hard to picture any realistic trade back where they can still get him.

This post reads like an exact copy of something that was said for Mukhamadullin and Stillman.

At some point you have to accept its a trend. It has not been an issue yet because the team is picking top5 every year but there are major concerns going forward when our only 1st round pick ends up in the late teens and twenties.
 

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I think it's too early to judge and want GM/head scout fired, however it was quite risky to reach and take someone who wasn't in that Wright/Slaf/Cooley tier (I know one of them wasn't available there). The risk may or may not pay off but I think that some of you are:

1) Forgetting that this is not NBA and you can have multiple high quality pieces playing one position,
2) Not realizing how powerful of an asset a 2nd overall pick is,
3) Forgetting that you can trade assets and finally,
4) The fact that Devils don't need more quality centers doesn't affect their value because half of the league does.

In my view, the management is about maximizing the assets you're given, picking the right strategy and finally achieving the ultimate goal (which is to create a contender IMO, rather than a bubble team). With those 3 assumptions in mind, if you're given 2nd overall pick:

a) Getting a franchise player is an ultimate success and is phenomenal (e. g. Malkin, Doughty, Hedman),
b) Getting a star player is good/acceptable (e. g. Laine, Seguin, Eric Staal),
c) Getting a solid NHLer is a disappointment (e. g. Murray),
d) Anything below that is an utter failure.

So with Slafkovsky off the board, Fitz and co. could have picked few different routes to achieve a) or b), while also improving defence:
1) Drafting Wright and trading one of Hughes/Hischier/Wright for equivalent D IF Wright becomes elite.
2) Drafting Cooley and trading one of Hughes/Hischier/Wright for equivalent D IF Cooley becomes elite.
3) Drafting Nemec and hoping he becomes a star/franchise player.

I'm not going to pretend I have a crystal ball, I have no idea what will happen but I think that our management has picked one of the most risky routes they could have picked. And the only way it doesn't end up in Zacha tier of picks is if either Nemec becomes a star or both of Wright/Cooley become even worse. I'm not mad at this pick because gambles sometimes pay off but it's obvious that both us and Arizona gambled here, however I believe that expectations have to be set right from the get go, Nemec needs to become a star. Being good in Slovak league is not enough, becoming a #3D with PP1 time is not enough, tearing up AHL is not enough.

I want to see us build a contender, not fall in love with prospects and not getting excited about Holtzs being PPG in AHL, while also having huge problems with adjusting to the main show.
 
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First of all, Nemec is the pick so I'm now 100% behind this, excited and hoping for a homerun outcome!

What a wild first round! Hope everyone has settled down from their initial shock and knee-jerk reactions. I tried posting my thoughts here live, but Hfboards completely froze on me after the first 3 picks.

Seeing Wright get passed by three teams was very surprising, we can only go with what we see and hear, but there was obviously something in the interviews that made him drop. And maybe everyone just felt his development had stopped and he showed some lack of compete in the playoffs. Would have I picked him? Yes, but that's with whatever knowledge I have on him. I wasn't there at the interviews and at the combine. I think I spend way more time watching and reading on draft prospects than an average casual NHL fan, but that's still like less than 5% of what actual scouts and GMs do.

Like most of you guys, I wanted Slafkovsky. The combination of sky high elite potential mixed in with a bit of risk and an underdog story with people (especially casuals) constantly questioning his stats and even hockey iq, could have been extremely exciting. Also incredibly hilarious to see all the back-pedaling from bunch of Montreal fans.

When I first dove deep into this draft early this year, I had us picking either Nemec or Jiricek. I was very disappointed in Nemec after the Olympics, so I thought Jiricek should be the pick (if we pick around 4-6 range). But after the Olympics Nemec started a steady rise for me. People argued that what I saw in the olympics was just a few bad games in a short sample size, so I started to look more into it and watch more video. Then came the World Championships and Nemec looked outstanding, while Jiricek didn't really have a good showing. The Czech coaching didn't really play Jiricek much, and people started to question his skating. So after going through Will Butcher and the troubles Ty Smith has had with his skating, the thought of Jiricek started to sound less appealing. At this point Slafkovsky had already become the Devils #1 target, but in the back of my head I had a feeling that we'd once again pick one of the two consensus top picks and miss the franchise D talent that gets picked around #3-5 range.

The Slovakian league is obviously weaker than SHL, Liiga, NL, Del and even Extraliga, but what Nemec did there, especially in the playoffs is pretty outstanding for a teenager. He's been compared to Josi a lot, but I think that's only for his offensive game, as he projects to be a much more solid defensively. I think this pick has 2017 Makar-pick vibes all over it. Excellent skating D putting up great numbers in a weaker league, gets a bit underrated below top forwards in a draft.

People complaining about this pick, or any other pick for that matter (in other fanbases), need to realize that nobody can see the future and the whole first round (not to mention the top10) this year has been really close. Who knows how any of this plays out. If past drafts are any indication, at least a couple of guys from the top won't live up to the hype and couple guys from the bottom will breakout.

The defence has been a weakness for the Devils for a while, but we now have two of the top defensive prospects, one of the best shutdown D last season in Siegenthaler, top2 offensive D in Hamilton, an easy top4 D in Severson, a very serviceable mid pair D in Graves and bunch of good prospects in Mukhamadullin, Okhotyuk, Bahl..
 

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Ok, I'm going to do my best here because it was a big night for me and the Red Wings draft party I attended wound up at a multitude of bars.

Here's the sentence you all need to read: Simon Nemec is an outstanding RD prospect, but his selection at #2 overall was not ideal and the result of poor asset management for two years of Fitzgerald's GM tenure.

This is sort of a "good news and bad news" post. No Devils fans should be jumping off bridges, but no Devils fans should be jumping over the moon, either. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Because it's this simple: if the Devils took RD Scott Morrow over Chase Stillman last year, this pick is probably not made. If the Devils traded down in 2020 from #20 to take Brock Faber or traded up to #19 to take Braeden Schneider, this pick is probably not made. Heck, if the Devils took Ryan Ufko or Luca Munzenberger instead of Samu Salminen in the 3rd round last year, this pick might be different.

Yes, I thought exactly the same thing. He compounded his mistakes from 2020 and 2021 by reaching for Nemec. It's very sad to think how the last three drafts would have gone if Ray Shero was running them. How jarring to go from one of the best drafting teams in the league to one of the worst.

This post reads like an exact copy of something that was said for Mukhamadullin and Stillman.

At some point you have to accept its a trend. It has not been an issue yet because the team is picking top5 every year but there are major concerns going forward when our only 1st round pick ends up in the late teens and twenties.

Minnesota walked away from the draft with arguably as good a player at #24 as we got at #2. Three years in a row with this shit, three years of watching other teams take better players. I feel sick.
 

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I don’t care that we picked a defenseman. But David Jiricek is better at literally every single aspect of hockey except for transition offense than Simon Nemec. David Jiricek is exactly what this team needed from the back end. I don’t understand this team ever.
Not at skating, which I hear is a part of hockey, and this is weirdly overselling Jiricek’s defense too.
 
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Not at skating, which I hear is a part of hockey, and this is weirdly overselling Jiricek’s defense too.

Jiricek is a solid prospect, but Nemec is lightyears ahead of him offensively. To me, it was never particularly close. Nemec was the guy in this draft outside of Wright.

Honestly, I’m just relieved that we avoided the Slafkovsky pick. Maybe he turns into Kopitar or Nichushkin, but he has a high chance of busting or just being a run of the mill middle 6 guy. He was a runaway hype train that I’m happy we avoided.
 

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Yes, I thought exactly the same thing. He compounded his mistakes from 2020 and 2021 by reaching for Nemec. It's very sad to think how the last three drafts would have gone if Ray Shero was running them. How jarring to go from one of the best drafting teams in the league to one of the worst.



Minnesota walked away from the draft with arguably as good a player at #24 as we got at #2. Three years in a row with this shit, three years of watching other teams take better players. I feel sick.
I'm going to do my best to get behind the Nemec pick. Though it may not have been my pick, I can fully believe the entire Devils scouting team thought Nemec was the best player at #2. It's possible Player A interviewed better than Player B, we don't know, and although I felt there was a definite top tier of two players atop the draft, most experts felt it was very close at the top.

Nemec is an extremely high-floor RD who is good defensively and tremendous with the puck in transition and at puck distribution. He skates extremely well and always finds ways to produce offense. He's a very smart kid. He needs to work on a few things, but there's little reason to think he won't be at least a middle-pairing RD at the NHL level, and he certainly has top-pairing upside.

May not have been my pick, but it certainly improves the state of the overall prospect pool exponentially. But now, Fitzgerald & company need to have a stellar Day Two, and there are a score of good names still on the board.
 

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For the people complaining about Fitz not trading back and reaching. Here’s even more evidence that they could have easily missed out on Nemec if they moved out of 2. Also should quiet the ridiculous theories that they only drafted him for need.


Who cares? Fitz has zero track record for going against the grain and coming away with the better player. Zero. He could feel that Maveric Lameuroux was the best player in the draft for all I care. Means nothing.

At this point I'd rather have Byron Bader running the drafts. Funny enough, he probably would have made the same pick at #2.

I'm going to do my best to get behind the Nemec pick. Though it may not have been my pick, I can fully believe the entire Devils scouting team thought Nemec was the best player at #2. It's possible Player A interviewed better than Player B, we don't know, and although I felt there was a definite top tier of two players atop the draft, most experts felt it was very close at the top.

Nemec is an extremely high-floor RD who is good defensively and tremendous with the puck in transition and at puck distribution. He skates extremely well and always finds ways to produce offense. He's a very smart kid. He needs to work on a few things, but there's little reason to think he won't be at least a middle-pairing RD at the NHL level, and he certainly has top-pairing upside.

May not have been my pick, but it certainly improves the state of the overall prospect pool exponentially. But now, Fitzgerald & company need to have a stellar Day Two, and there are a score of good names still on the board.

Nah, I'm just too tired of this. I have no faith that he's not going to go off the board at #37 because at this point it's his MO. He'll probably pick a goalie or something.

Can you imagine if Shero was here? We probably walk away with Wright and Chesley. Maybe he moves back into the first round somehow and we come away with Wright and Yurov.

Fitz is not the right man for the job. He's done irreparable damage to the rebuild. I don't think I can get too invested in the team any more until he's gone. Hopefully it will be soon after Wright shows him to be an absolute clown.
 

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I think we all need to breathe a little. You can be both disappointed about Slaf and happy the Devils got the best ranked D in the draft.

The Slaf pick is getting lit up on various “draft grade” pages. I always felt he was more boom/bust than Wright and for some reason the media scouts often ranked him 4-6 range. This is a ballsy pick, because If this kid farts the wrong way, the fans are going to explode.

I posted before, that Montreal taking Slaf hurts the Devils on multiple fronts, because it eliminates most of the trade options. Most of the other teams knew two solid centers are available and the Devils will probably go D.

RD was a solid option and Jiříček got hurt.

Lets be honest with ourselves do you pay Nico 7+ to be a 3C? Should they use the #2 pick on a 3C?
 
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I was hopping for Slaf, but with him not available I couldn't be happier with the pick.
Btw, the Montreal board were in absolute shock and anger when they picked Slaf when we couldn't have been happier. Not surprising since 99% of us just read stuff or maybe watch a couple of highlights and we end up forming our opinion on a herd mentality basis.

Also, we have drafted just fine under Fitz. It's almost impossible to predict a player trajectory, so there will always be busts, but focusing too much on those makes no sense. For those of you in acute overreaction mode, just breath a moment, in a couple of years a redraft will probably look completely different anyway.
 

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Yes, I thought exactly the same thing. He compounded his mistakes from 2020 and 2021 by reaching for Nemec. It's very sad to think how the last three drafts would have gone if Ray Shero was running them. How jarring to go from one of the best drafting teams in the league to one of the worst.



Minnesota walked away from the draft with arguably as good a player at #24 as we got at #2. Three years in a row with this shit, three years of watching other teams take better players. I feel sick.
He compounded his mistakes of taking Hughes x 2, Holtz and Mercer?

You're argument asking Nemec is that they reached on Mukh and Stillman?

Shero sucked at first round picks and was good at late round picks. Looks like Fitz is the opposite so far?

Zacha Mcleod and Smith
 

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Yes, I thought exactly the same thing. He compounded his mistakes from 2020 and 2021 by reaching for Nemec. It's very sad to think how the last three drafts would have gone if Ray Shero was running them. How jarring to go from one of the best drafting teams in the league to one of the worst.



Minnesota walked away from the draft with arguably as good a player at #24 as we got at #2. Three years in a row with this shit, three years of watching other teams take better players. I feel sick.
Do you not realize what the word arguable means?
 

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The morning after and still mystified.

The Devils ability to disappoint has no limits.

How do they have a shot at Shane Wright and leave him on the board?

Did the Hughes family veto the pick?
 
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The morning after and still mystified.

The Devils ability to disappoint has no limits.

How do they have a shot at Shane Wright and leave him on the board?

Did the Hughes family veto the pick?
I'm just going to leave this here
 

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Who cares? Fitz has zero track record for going against the grain and coming away with the better player. Zero. He could feel that Maveric Lameuroux was the best player in the draft for all I care. Means nothing.

At this point I'd rather have Byron Bader running the drafts. Funny enough, he probably would have made the same pick at #2.



Nah, I'm just too tired of this. I have no faith that he's not going to go off the board at #37 because at this point it's his MO. He'll probably pick a goalie or something.

Can you imagine if Shero was here? We probably walk away with Wright and Chesley. Maybe he moves back into the first round somehow and we come away with Wright and Yurov.

Fitz is not the right man for the job. He's done irreparable damage to the rebuild. I don't think I can get too invested in the team any more until he's gone. Hopefully it will be soon after Wright shows him to be an absolute clown.
Wow, you took not taking Wright hard.

I actively think Cooley would have been a better pick than Wright if we took a forward (and he probably would have been my pick).

I like Jiricek but ended up preferring Nemec.

This is a mushy draft.

Shero traded 3 early 2nd picks down the drain in July 2019, the high point of the draft assets he bled out, he did a pretty half-assed rebuild.

So it’s hard to imagine Shero drafting with the #37 pick, he avoided that that part of the draft for most of his run.
 
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