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Post-Game Talk: New Jersey Devils at New York Rangers - 10/14/17

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chosen said:
No one is blaming Kreider. We are asking how a player can easily be the best player on the ice a few games a season and be invisible for multiple games at a time.

Or you know, just blame AV for every single thing that has ever gone wrong in every Ranger game.
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McDavid went ten games without scoring a goal last year.

Aaron Judge might win AL MVP and has spent nearly three months of the season being absolute garbage.

It's called being human.
 
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JT Kreider said:
Kreider might not be lacking heart, but he is definitely lacking something that is holding him back from being an elite winger.
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To me when he got that boarding call a few years ago against Min, and AV flipped out on him for being physical he has shied away from contact since then.

I always thought he had the tools to be a Lucic with 3x the skill but he has nowhere near the heart.
 
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aufheben said:
Dude it's October lol

Personally I'm not even sure the Rangers have been playing much differently than last year so far. Things look a lot worse when pucks are going in, and vice versa.
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Win 10 games in October: It's only October. It doesn't mean anything
Lose 10 games in October: Oh no! We aren't a play off team
 
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aufheben said:
Dude it's October lol

Personally I'm not even sure the Rangers have been playing much differently than last year so far. Things look a lot worse when pucks are going in, and vice versa.
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This is a great point.

Tbh, this is our usual f***ing October without the PDO binge.
 
Discussing Kreider is distracting from the point, as is discussing a few other players. We complain about these guys when they go a few games without scoring. No one is consistent every game, hockey's a game of streaks for offensive players. Kreider might go 5 games without a goal and then has 10 in 20 or something like that.

The problem is the lack of overall forward depth, the lack of players who can actually defend, the goaltending and the coach. We are relying on too many players who can not get the job done. Seems like a bad team to me.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Discussing Kreider is distracting from the point, as is discussing a few other players. We complain about these guys when they go a few games without scoring. No one is consistent every game, hockey's a game of streaks for offensive players. Kreider might go 5 games without a goal and then has 10 in 20 or something like that.

The problem is the lack of overall forward depth, the lack of players who can actually defend, the goaltending and the coach. We are relying on too many players who can not get the job done. Seems like a bad team to me.
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So basically everything. :laugh:

Not laughing at your post, humor just makes the losses easier to swallow.
 
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Ori said:
Brooksi with passion and he write a new article for us! :)
And last time we went 6/1 loss was in 1960/61. Full story here: http://nypost.com/2017/10/15/players-must-take-responsibility-for-rangers-disastrous-start/

My conclusion it won`t be easy to meet the back to back Stanley cup champs, and I`ve a notion that we will be a struggle with our current poor form.
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I don't know. Last year we went 9-0, and met a garbage (was it Vancouver?) team that was off to a even more disastrous start than we were. Everyone expected a blowout win. We got destroyed and shut out.

In hockey, your fortunes can change over the course of a single game.
 
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If Crosby & Malkin play above average game it might be difficult, but Henrik is probably in goal. He can shutout even Pens as long we score a goal we can get pts. in that game.
 
Ori said:
Brooksi with passion and he write a new article for us! :)
And last time we went 6/1 loss was in 1960/61. Full story here: http://nypost.com/2017/10/15/players-must-take-responsibility-for-rangers-disastrous-start/

My conclusion it won`t be easy to meet the back to back Stanley cup champs, and I`ve a notion that we will be a struggle with our current poor form.
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If anyone was in doubt about how truly f***ed up our team is...read this article. It's a solid effort by Brooks.
 
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We started slow plenty of times before. I'd put the pitchforks away until December.
 
I'm not saying that everything is fine, because it isn't. The roster is flawed, from not being talented enough up front to being mediocre defensively to having too much money in a slightly above average goaltender.

However, what would everyone be saying if they were 4-2 right now...what they probably SHOULD be based on chances and actual game flow.

I said it before. This is EXACTLY the same situation that existed in the seven years of hell. Many times those teams would come out and dominate a first period, only to have a 1-0 lead, even though they'd outshoot the opponent 19-3 or something ridiculous. Then, one half mistake, it's 1-1. They stop skating. One lazy play, 2-1. Goaltender can't make the big save to keep it a one-goal game. They get one late in the third, but give up an empty-netter, 4-2 loss. Coaching changes never moved the needle.

I never thought those teams were necessarily as bad as many do. They were the epitome of how bad luck can snowball into laziness and weak play. That's what I'm starting to see here.
 
Always fun watching people rip that idiot AV to shreds. His horrible, ill-fitting defensive system has always taken 10+ games in order for guys to adjust so none of this is surprising. A good coach would adjust the system to optimize his players but AV is a terrible coach so it is what it is.

As for all the Stepan lamentations? Trading Stepan was the right move to make overall when you look at
A) This team now
B) Stepan now
C) Both going forward

It's not even a question that it was the right move. Maybe the team wins 4 or 5 more games this season with him. Maybe they go one round further this year. But honestly, at his current production and skill level I hesitate to say he'd even help the team win a single round. At that contract, with his already steadily declining play, getting rid of him was so brilliantly done.
 
chosen said:
McDavid led the NHL in scoring.
Judge led the AL in Home Runs and dominated the league, statistically.
Kreider________________________
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You're missing his point in order to argue about how Kreider has never been as good as some of the best in their respective leagues. He's not arguing CK was ever one of the best at something. He's accurately showing that every player can be inconsistent.
 
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