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SJSharks39 said:
They're not "getting off of his cap."

If he can't play, then they put him on LTIR. I don't understand why you are making this a big deal.
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Thats fine.

But some here are making it seem like Clarkson is LTIR bound for his career and it simply wont ever happen that way. So theyd rather keep his cap and think they wont have to count it towards the cap.
 
Group Chat Legend said:
Thats fine.

But some here are making it seem like Clarkson is LTIR bound for his career and it simply wont ever happen that way. So theyd rather keep his cap and think they wont have to count it towards the cap.
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It definitely could happen. Back issues aren't something that is always easy to recover from. No one is saying that they want to keep his cap. They would rather keep his cap than give up one of their best forwards on an offense starved team without anything of value coming back.
 
SJSharks39 said:
It definitely could happen. Back issues aren't something that is always easy to recover from. No one is saying that they want to keep his cap. They would rather keep his cap than give up one of their best forwards on an offense starved team without anything of value coming back.
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This. Basically there are 3 possible outcomes:
1. He goes on indefinite LTIR like a number of other players (Horton, Savard, Pronged, etc.). He HAS had back issues which kept him out all but ~20 games last season.
2. He gets healthy and bounces back as a useful (albeit overpaid) player.
3. He gets healthy and continues to suck, where Columbus just keeps him on as a 13th forward.
3. Columbus gives up a really nice piece just to move him.

Ranking them by preference, I would go 1, 2, 3, 4. But make no mistake, it's better for Columbus to pay him to sit on the bench and take up cap space than to give up a 1st rounder or nice prospect to move him. That's almost always compounding a mistake (acquiring/signing a player like that is the original mistake, giving up a 1st or a top prospect to move that player is just compounding the mistake).
 
Crede777 said:
This. Basically there are 3 possible outcomes:
1. He goes on indefinite LTIR like a number of other players (Horton, Savard, Pronged, etc.). He HAS had back issues which kept him out all but ~20 games last season.
2. He gets healthy and bounces back as a useful (albeit overpaid) player.
3. He gets healthy and continues to suck, where Columbus just keeps him on as a 13th forward.
3. Columbus gives up a really nice piece just to move him.

Ranking them by preference, I would go 1, 2, 3, 4. But make no mistake, it's better for Columbus to pay him to sit on the bench and take up cap space than to give up a 1st rounder or nice prospect to move him. That's almost always compounding a mistake (acquiring/signing a player like that is the original mistake, giving up a 1st or a top prospect to move that player is just compounding the mistake).
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The playera you listed as examples all had career-ending injuries. Clarkson did nor has not.
 
Crede777 said:
Chronic back deterioration. Just like Horton.
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Clarkson does not have that... Horton had problems since day one of his career. Clarkson has played to 32 before encountering back issues.
 
Group Chat Legend said:
Clarkson does not have that... Horton had problems since day one of his career. Clarkson has played to 32 before encountering back issues.
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What? This is seriously stupid. A player can develop degenerative back issues later in his career. And it seems like Clarkson has. It kept him out of most of last season.

Degenerative disc disease is a natural part of aging and can be spurred on by physical wear and tear, such as experienced by a hockey player who plays a physical brand of hockey.
 
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Thundermare said:
:help:
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Is it such an inaccurate thing to say? They had almost the same statline this year, and Jenner was on the team with the better offense. He's 2 years younger, true, but that doesn't make it a certainty he'll improve.

If there's something I'm missing feel free to let me know. But Boucher is a 40 point, 20 goal guy going forward, and Blandisi has a lot of upside. Add in Clarkson's contract and I don't see a reason to do it.
 
Group Chat Legend said:
'So clueless' yet you folks think a 'back problem' gets you on LTIR longer than a few months :laugh:

Bryce Salvador being put on LTIR was a problem and the guy was never going to return. Yet folks think Clarkson easily hits LTIR for something that just came about last year and has had almost a year to recover from.

Get real - Columbus isnt getting off of his cap that easy
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To be fair, that's exactly what we did with Mogilny.

Jenner is good but this deal isn't worth it from a NJ perspective. We can't give up three assets for one and a bad cap dump.
 
GMs will never learn and keep giving out stupid contracts they have to get contracts down to a max of 4 yrs to baby sit these guys
 
Crede777 said:
What? This is seriously stupid. A player can develop degenerative back issues later in his career. And it seems like Clarkson has. It kept him out of most of last season.

Degenerative disc disease is a natural part of aging and can be spurred on by physical wear and tear, such as experienced by a hockey player who plays a physical brand of hockey.
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The second paragraph is true. I'd also point out that degenerative disc disease is easily verifiable on x-ray and that just because he has back problems, doesn't mean he has degenerative disease.. it can be a bevy of other issues.

You also have to have the player be complicit or they will fight LTIR tooth and nail if they wish to continue playing. The NHLPA will back their player, especially if a physician gives them medical clearance.

People keep saying that it will be easy to LTIR players like Hossa or Clarkson.. but that's still a large assumption at this point. The LTIR players are pretty much all guys who have a long, documented history of injuries that neither the player or team dispute.
 
Eric Sachs said:
The second paragraph is true. I'd also point out that degenerative disc disease is easily verifiable on x-ray and that just because he has back problems, doesn't mean he has degenerative disease.. it can be a bevy of other issues.

You also have to have the player be complicit or they will fight LTIR tooth and nail if they wish to continue playing. The NHLPA will back their player, especially if a physician gives them medical clearance.

People keep saying that it will be easy to LTIR players like Hossa or Clarkson.. but that's still a large assumption at this point. The LTIR players are pretty much all guys who have a long, documented history of injuries that neither the player or team dispute.
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Bit of a difference between Hossa and Clarkson. Hossa almost played triple the games last season. Clarkson, since becoming a Blue Jacket, has only played in 26 games (possible 104).

That said, I agree about the fighting LTIR. Clarkson still seems to have the bug unlike someone like Pronger or Horton (who stepped away from their teams while injured); he's stuck with the team and tried to remain as active as possible.
 
Here are the scenarios in which we will willingly give up a roster player like Jenner just to move Clarkson:

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Yes, he's a drag on the cap. We're prepared to live with that. Stop trying to steal our top players and pretend that you're doing us a favor.
 
Group Chat Legend said:
Enjoy having Clarkson
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How does this always become a thing? It's combined the most pointless and condescending comment in discussions such as this.

No, Jackets fans don't "enjoy having Clarkson". But we do know that in keeping him at this point, the worst-case scenario is still better than whatever would have to be done to move him. While at the same time you eliminate possible better-case scenarios. The Clarkson situation is not new to CBJ fans. Why do people assume it is?
 
Group Chat Legend said:
Dont worry bud, he will be back :laugh:

You have to be severely injured for LTIR. And Clarkson is not that
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Can't play hockey due to a back injury

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Seriously injured.

Group Chat Legend said:
'So clueless' yet you folks think a 'back problem' gets you on LTIR longer than a few months :laugh:

Bryce Salvador being put on LTIR was a problem and the guy was never going to return. Yet folks think Clarkson easily hits LTIR for something that just came about last year and has had almost a year to recover from.

Get real - Columbus isnt getting off of his cap that easy
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Again, if his back hasn't improved any...And he still can't play (which is assumed, not reported, so this could all be moot) that's still just a "back problem"? The Columbus Dispatch is doing a write-up on Clarkson tomorrow, and we should know more about his future then..But as of now he is a very likely candidate for LTIR...whether you disagree with or not.
 
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