I stand corrected. My bad.
Why would any GM let the other team pick which player he gets? That is stupid in the lack of thought behind such an idea.
I still think this trade favors Calgary by a lot.
Proposal: New Jersey - Calgary (Blockbuster)
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Why would any GM let the other team pick which player he gets? That is stupid in the lack of thought behind such an idea.
I still think this trade favors Calgary by a lot.
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That’s A LOT of futures coming from Jersey
Typically people tend to overrate the value of picks/prospects on this site which made me initially believe Calgary was getting the short end of the stick as they’re giving up an established young 1st line player.
But that is a hefty package coming from Jersey- a blue chip prospect, 2 mid tier quality prospects + 2 1sts is quite valuable. Especially when you consider how the team is still struggling and doesn’t look likely to make the playoffs, those 1st round picks could potentially be quite high.
Typically people tend to overrate the value of picks/prospects on this site which made me initially believe Calgary was getting the short end of the stick as they’re giving up an established young 1st line player.
But that is a hefty package coming from Jersey- a blue chip prospect, 2 mid tier quality prospects + 2 1sts is quite valuable. Especially when you consider how the team is still struggling and doesn’t look likely to make the playoffs, those 1st round picks could potentially be quite high.
treple13
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I definitely do this from Calgary's perspective. I love Tkachuk, but we are going to need to cut salary. I'm worried Tkachuk is going to be overpaid. Either way, that's a former top 10 pick, a possible top 10 pick this year, and a pick that is probably lottery or at least top 20 next year?
New Jersey can buy out Lucic or Monahan and they can come back to Calgary for cheaper
New Jersey can buy out Lucic or Monahan and they can come back to Calgary for cheaper
treple13
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I'm sure plenty of trades have occurred with the any of these options (you can pick). Most of the time you probably just don't hear about it, since only the final trade is announced. Notably though, the Theoren Fleury to Colorado trade explicitly did this with "future considerations" (Calgary was allowed to choose any of Colorado's 1st round picks from the previous draft)
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That might be a litlle too rich for my blood but if push came to shove, I'd do it.
The Devils are at a point where they need to start adding legit talent to surround their starts. We have 3 excellent centers in Hughes, Hischier and an up and coming stud in Mercer. Our winger depth, outside of Bratt, is straight up garbage and we have a nice cast of dmen but the future of Severson is still up in the air IMO.
Adding someone like Matthew Tkatchuk would take us from a possible bubble team to a contender IMO. He's exactly what this team needs and if we have to give up assets that won't be able to help out our young core before 2 or 3 years, so be it. Wasting valuable years off of Nico, Jack, Dougie, etc would be a bigger crime then losing some picks/prospects.
The Devils are at a point where they need to start adding legit talent to surround their starts. We have 3 excellent centers in Hughes, Hischier and an up and coming stud in Mercer. Our winger depth, outside of Bratt, is straight up garbage and we have a nice cast of dmen but the future of Severson is still up in the air IMO.
Adding someone like Matthew Tkatchuk would take us from a possible bubble team to a contender IMO. He's exactly what this team needs and if we have to give up assets that won't be able to help out our young core before 2 or 3 years, so be it. Wasting valuable years off of Nico, Jack, Dougie, etc would be a bigger crime then losing some picks/prospects.
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I'm very much into the Devils giving up two dimes and a nickel for a quarter piece, but this seems a bit heavy for me. Just too much.
Also, unprotected in the Bedard / Michkov draft over a year out is the kind of stuff that can live on forever. That can be "Scott Niedermayer should have been a Maple Leaf" type stuff.
Also, unprotected in the Bedard / Michkov draft over a year out is the kind of stuff that can live on forever. That can be "Scott Niedermayer should have been a Maple Leaf" type stuff.
Too quantity over quality in this deal. Flames would want one of your centers coming back. Personally, I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger unless Mercer, was in the deal but for sake of discussion, because of the upcoming Hughes and Tkachuk extensions, I'd assume the Devils would insist on Hischier, for cap purposes. The difference between Tkachuk and Hischier is substantial, I would say Holtz substantial.
Trade #1
Tkachuk
Coronato
for
Mercer
Holtz
Top 5 protected 2022 1st or Devils choice of unprotected 2023 1st
Walsh
Trade #2
Tkachuk
Backlund
Zary
For
Hischier
Holtz
Top 5 protected 2022 1st or Devils choice of unprotected 2023 1st
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If we can't re-sign Gaudreau then I'd do this deal easily. Then again, if we can't re-sign Gaudreau then there is no need for a cap dump.
Volica
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this.
But yes, if Gaudreau doesn’t sign, then this deal is an easy yes as we full on tank.
He's become a much better all-around player and generates a huge percentage of our offense. If he could get the puck out of the zone when it comes up his wall he'd be the perfect mini player.
The Devils are on the cusp of being a good team again and Tkachuk would surely speed that along. Those picks look nice on paper but could just as easily end up in the 15-25 range.
If we lose Johnny, then I'm sure Chucky is being resigned, what team would want to lose 2/3rds if their top line in the same off-season? But if we resign Johnny, I'd think a deal like this would help us rebuild on the fly, so I'd do Chucky + Monahan/Lucic for the package you proposed, would there be a chance to swap out Holtz for Mercer? What would Calgary have to add or NJ have to take out for Mercer to be involved? Backlund is getting up there in age and we don't really have much C's in the system with top 6 upside
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YA NHL teams make trades because it is fun
Didn't know NHL teams made trades by discussing them on hfboards.
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SJinNewJersey
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I thought they were actually pretty fair offers. If you think its possible to acquire one of the top under 25 year old wingers in the game, without giving up pieces that you don't want to lose, you're sadly mistaken.
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