Proposal: New Jersey - Calgary (Blockbuster)
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HugeInTheShire
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Why would either team do this?
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Tkachuk woild be perfect to put with Hughes and Bratt.
But so would he be awesome to put with every other team in the leagues top line…
I know there should be no way in hell the Flames move Tkachuk but is there a slight chance he might have to be moved? Flames have a lot of juggling to do to fill their roster next year.
But so would he be awesome to put with every other team in the leagues top line…
I know there should be no way in hell the Flames move Tkachuk but is there a slight chance he might have to be moved? Flames have a lot of juggling to do to fill their roster next year.
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Okay then, I can't see why the Devils would trade 4 1st round picks and 2 2nd round picks for 1 roster player and a cap dump
As a Flames fan I think I would do that. But not until the season is over. We will have cap issues heading into next season and are definitely a LW heavy team.
1. Gaudreau
2. Tkachuk
3. Mangiapane
4. Coleman
5. Lucic
6. Dube
That's 6 top 3LWs. Way too many. I'd rather throw Monahan into the deal than Backlund or Lucic though if it doesn't matter to you guys.
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I would take Monahan instead of Backlund or Lucic. I will edit the post to reflect that.
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Lol....it's a quality for quantity trade...but that's a lot of quantity. If the Flames are going full rebuild and/or cannot sign Tkachuk that's a massive haul for Tkachuk. Even then, if the Flames re-sign Johnny, they can't re-sign Tkachuk, and the plan is to compete, they are probably better off just targeting a 1 great player.
Value is absolutely through the roof, but does it fit with what the Flames are trying to do? A lot of that depends on what goes on with contract negotiations with Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
Nice, that would be a good deal for us. Backlund still takes our hard matchups and Lucic is a not great player, but seems to fit very well with us. Not sure he'd fit as well in a more free flowing system like Jersey.
I agree with you, but this opens up a crap ton of cap space. 14 or 15 million. That's the "big asset" we'd be gaining. Then a bunch of decent pieces that can be moved to revamp some things. If we can't sign Johnny we should probably be rebuilding anyway.
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The Flames roster issues are overblown.
IMO the much bigger issue is whether or not both Gaudreau and Tkachuk want to stay. Both seem very engaged right now and are responding very well to Sutter's style of play. They both, however, have strong ties to their hometown regions in the USA, which is something the Flames can't do anything about.
The Flames do need to clear cap space, but Calgary's cap issues are way overblown. Lucic and Monahan have 1 year left on their contracts after this. Backlund has 2 years. All 3 are overpaid but still solid contributors. With a small add or some retention, any could be moved easily. Lucic's contract is extremely back loaded, with only about $850k of actual salary owing after his bonus is paid out. A perfect fit for Seattle IMO.
I would agree, except I don't think Monahan is a solid contributor anymore. He doesn't play 3C well. I do think we have cap issues. We only really have 4 bonafide top 6 forwards and people always forget about Kylington's raise too.
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If Johnny isn't re-signing, the team is awful unless they can bring in a massive whale to replace Johnny. In that case, the only plan should be a rebuild and that haul for Tkachuk is massive. So yeah, I'd say go ahead and I'd even drive Tkachuk to the airport to begin his new life in Jersey.
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Firstly, Backlund is a legit #2 centre and his contributions would be very difficult to replace if he was moved. I do think Monahan can contribute as a 2nd/3rd line centre and PP specialist. Even in his reduced role in Calgary he's still on pace for 40 points. With one year left on his contract, it's pretty low risk. Maybe Calgary can retain 1.5 million to sweeten the deal.
Very few teams have 6 solid top 6 players. They all have at least one guy who is probably more of a 3rd line but playing in a top 6 role. If our 6th forward is Lucic or Coleman, the Flames are actually doing extremely well.
I agree on Backlund. He's a #1 possession center and a #3 finishing center. I'm a huge fan. We see Monahan very differently I think. PP1 would be better with Mangiapane in the bumper spot by quite a bit I think. The drop from our #4 forward to our #5 is substantial in a offensive sense. We have 4 players who can score 30 and no one else who will get 20 IMO. Monahan has 2 5 on 5 goals and a total of four 5 on 5 assists. He's not producing other than secondary PP assists. He has 8 of his 16 points as secondary PP assists.
You aren't a championship contender if Coleman and Lucic are top 6 forwards. You win cups with those guys on the third line.
Pass ....Develop Holtz and continue to build....Then out of strength of system make cup trade when timing is right....Devils aren't ready to make this type of deal yet....
We can just wait for Johnny to get to FA and sign him. His team is Philly but they are in bit of a funk. JG getting passes from Hughes would be sweet. I like Tkachuk but not at that price. He's the type of player that woudl fill a need here, but only for less. And I get Calgary does not have to do that. Jersey may be setting themselves up to be the right fit for some FA scoring wingers which is what we need for our C's
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I wouldn't trade Holtz on top of two 1st rounders. Tkachuk is great, but that's crazy.
If we're trading a bunch of our near-NHL-ready prospects, I'd be making my first call to Arizona for Crouse.
If we're trading a bunch of our near-NHL-ready prospects, I'd be making my first call to Arizona for Crouse.
You call this a blockbuster? Nathan Bastian is nowhere to be found.
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Makes no sense for Jersey, NJD shouldn't give up 1st round picks and/or prospects of Holtz callibre yet, could easily end up being a disaster, especially without goaltending fixed.
I’d be an easy no from Jersey.
This is lopsided and really favors Calgary. Obnoxious to think Calgary gets to choose which player NJ would want/get. Clearly a Calgary fan came up with that foolish and illogical construct.
this one should probably get the locked up treatment.
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