New Head Coach-who will it be?

[RainyCityHockey]

Well, if Botterills time in Buffalo is any indication we're probably looking at some executive from the english premier league or maybe an alpine skiing coach from the swiss alps to take over the job...

 

[majormajor]

I am definitely aware of the fact that almost every team in the league, including non-playoff teams, have atleast 1-2 roster players better than us. Also, I thought we were talking about the Canes.

I was talking about the Canes, and a few non-playoff clubs that have better top talent than the Canes do.

Why not?

7 straight playoff runs while averaging nearly 50 wins per year is to be expected?

They have the 4th most wins in the league in that span. That's really really impressive.

Good coaching certainly plays a crucial part but would you expect even someone like Brind'Amour to be able to have consistent playoff runs with our roster? I wouldn't.

I didn't say that but he can elevate a roster better than other coaches. Try running your view past Canes fans.

laughing emoji because while I can see who you're arguing with even if I no longer see their actual comments

I should probably just not post on this board.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

7 straight playoff runs while averaging nearly 50 wins per year is to be expected?

They have the 4th most wins in the league in that span. That's really really impressive.

So did the Sharks with Todd McLellan as their coach. And he was never a great coach to begin with. You can make that 10 straight playoff seasons if you count the 3 years with Ron Wilson before they replaced him with McLellan. They did have Joe Thornton as a true elite talent who I would rank above any of the Canes players but the point is that elite players can make up for bad/mediocre coaching as much as elite coaching can make up for bad/mediocre rosters. Heck, if anything I would say that a team with elite players is more likely to overcome bad coaching than the reverse.

I didn't say that but he can elevate a roster better than other coaches. Try running your view past Canes fans.

I don't care enough about going to their boards and looking for their validation. I already know Brind'Amour is a good coach. But attributing the playoff runs all to him and not considering the elite talent he had to work with as not a big factor why he was able to do so is not a practical outlook.

 

[Dead Coyote]

All I'm reading with this Brind'amour talk is that we should be hiring Boudreau yesterday as a coach who's had a much worse roster than the Canes for most of his existence and still brought multiple teams to the playoffs.

 

[CLW]

- Necas just broke out and is now no longer on the team. Svechnikov isn't that good.

- There are several non-playoff teams with a better top 4 than that.

- They're certainly not so good that you would expect seven straight playoff appearances averaging nearly 50 wins per year. That's an insane record with middling top talent.

- The Canes are a machine, not a top-talent driven team. It's not just me telling you this, go ask Canes fans.

- Yes the Kraken don't have a top talent group like that yet but it is not so lofty that we can't imagine the emerging young core getting there.

The Canes are a machine, but players get bored or burnt out playing like that year after year (I bet that's one reason Necas wanted out). I prefer hockey that retains creativity over endless repetitive energizer bunny hockey.

 

[Interior Cascadian]

Mods, delete please.

 

[The Marquis]

All I'm reading with this Brind'amour talk is that we should be hiring Boudreau yesterday as a coach who's had a much worse roster than the Canes for most of his existence and still brought multiple teams to the playoffs.

I’m all for Boudreau. The man properly knows how to say “f***in’”. He also has done exactly as you say. He’s also fun in interviews, something we’ve had net negative since day one. I’d like a little media charisma.

I also don’t really think he’s actually the guy for the job, but it would at least be a little more fun for a year when we barely miss the playoffs.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Just a little interesting thing(or maybe not) that came to my mind.

Rick Tocchet was an advisor to the franchise in the beginning and therefore has ties to the organization and Francis.

I do expect him to re-sign in Vancouver but if not I think he'll be the guy.

 

[Fuhrious]

Tocchet is not a good coach. Specifically, he’s atrocious at developing young players. There’s a reason then-Arizona dumped him when Armstrong came on and decided to kick off a youth movement. He almost busted out Strome, ruined Ekman-Larson, ran off Garland and was doing his best to torch Hayton and Keller before Armstrong canned him. He’d be an absolutely horrible HC here.

 

[DallasCowboys25]

ONE OF THESE 3 :
1. Joel Quesnville
2. Rod Brindamour
3. Rick Tocchet

if for some reason brindamour leaves carolina it might be him. or if Tocchet leaves Vancouver,
but my guess in the end it will be Quesnville.

 

[Kevinsane]

ONE OF THESE 3 :
1. Joel Quesnville
2. Rod Brindamour
3. Rick Tocchet

if for some reason brindamour leaves carolina it might be him. or if Tocchet leaves Vancouver,
but my guess in the end it will be Quesnville.

There’s no way in the world it will be Joel Quenneville.

 

[kihei]

There’s no way in the world it will be Joel Quenneville.

X 10.

 

[kihei]

laughing emoji because I can see who you're arguing with even if I no longer see their actual comments

One of the things I like most about this board is that it has not been a place for gratuitous cheap shots. This certainly would appear to be one, though,.

 

[JelloPuddyPops]

What's he won?

And why are we circling back around to Brind'Amour? He isn't coming to Seattle.

So you only want a coach that's won a cup then? But you don't want any old retreads. Quite the list you're amassing over there. Think Scotty Bowman would be interested?

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

So you only want a coach that's won a cup then? But you don't want any old retreads. Quite the list you're amassing over there. Think Scotty Bowman would be interested?

I think @Fuhrious was being sarcastic about Brind'Amour. But maybe not. If you really look at it, 7 straight playoffs look great on paper. But he has only made it to the conference finals twice, and got swept both times. At some point in time, making the playoffs is not enough. You need to be able to have the team take the next step.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Tocchet is not a good coach. Specifically, he’s atrocious at developing young players. There’s a reason then-Arizona dumped him when Armstrong came on and decided to kick off a youth movement. He almost busted out Strome, ruined Ekman-Larson, ran off Garland and was doing his best to torch Hayton and Keller before Armstrong canned him. He’d be an absolutely horrible HC here.

But, but.....he's been in Pittsburgh(just like Ronnie and Jason) and the old boys club seems to like him.

Overall I was just speculating and it might mean nothing at all and we go a different direction.

It's just that I think he "fits" in what they might be looking for. They had two "nice" coaches and the team stopped responding to that so a more "hard a$$" coach like Tocchet might be next in line.

 

[Fuhrious]

If Tocchet does leave Vancouver, it’s an absolute lock that he goes to the Flyers

 

[Kevinsane]

But, but.....he's been in Pittsburgh(just like Ronnie and Jason) and the old boys club seems to like him.

Overall I was just speculating and it might mean nothing at all and we go a different direction.

It's just that I think he "fits" in what they might be looking for. They had two "nice" coaches and the team stopped responding to that so a more "hard a$$" coach like Tocchet might be next in line.

I’m not a Tocchet fan, but I see your point. Cronyism is alive and well in the NHL, but he’d be poison for Wright, Beniers, Nyman, Catton, and Evans. So, everybody we want to see develop.
A coach like that gets you a wild card spot, then swept, and sees your young players stagnate or regress.

 

[sigma six]

If Tocchet does leave Vancouver, it’s an absolute lock that he goes to the Flyers

Only if they've learned nothing, which is entirely possible.

 

[Fuhrious]

Only if they've learned nothing, which is entirely possible.

“Star player for team becomes coach, returns to coach team” is a hell of a drug.

 

[CLW]

How many other teams are looking for a HC? NYR, Boston, Anaheim and...?

 

[Fuhrious]

How many other teams are looking for a HC? NYR, Boston, Anaheim and...?

Flyers

 

[kihei]

Only if they've learned nothing, which is entirely possible.

You're talking about the Flyers. So it is entirely likely.

 

[kihei]

Seeing as how it is slim pickings or worse among the retreads, does anybody have a favourite assistant coach from some team that we might be able to nab? My primary desired criterion would be that he is good at working with young players because there will be increasingly more and more of them coming up from Coachella.

 

[Fuhrious]

Seeing as how it is slim pickings or worse among the retreads, does anybody have a favourite assistant coach from some team that we might be able to nab? My primary desired criterion would be that he is good at working with young players because there will be increasingly more and more of them coming up from Coachella.

Van Ryn in Toronto