OT: New Goal Song Talk Part 1

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Emperoreddy

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I am honestly more upset with how the organization went about it. No warning, no fan input, and honestly a really terrible terrible selection.

I would not be opposed to changing the song again because RRP2 isn't really ours, other teams use it. If it is going to be changed something better and harder would be best. You can just tell from the suggestions in this thread.

Ya fan input lead to the disaster that was Ole, but the idea of letting the fans get involved in the selection is the right idea.
 

DevilChuk*

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I am honestly more upset with how the organization went about it. No warning, no fan input, and honestly a really terrible terrible selection.

I would not be opposed to changing the song again because RRP2 isn't really ours, other teams use it. If it is going to be changed something better and harder would be best. You can just tell from the suggestions in this thread.

Ya fan input lead to the disaster that was Ole, but the idea of letting the fans get involved in the selection is the right idea.

I agree with how stupid the process here was.

I mean you had 3 home games during the pre-season where the original goal song was played after every single goal.. then with no real announcement... you just spring an entirely different goal song.

How many people thought the first was a mistake? Should have at least announced it.. used it in pre-season.. put it on before the game, etc.

In thinking about it.. the lyrics aren't really that bad. "This is our house" could be a cool chant for the crowd.. the beat however is absolutely horrendous. It's not aggressive enough and really drains a lot of energy out of the crowd because of that. That's my biggest issue here.

I'm in favor of changing it to something better than this.. but honestly, R&R pt. 2 is also so much of a tradition for me that it's hard to say I'd fully support a change. Not "you suck!" itself but that goal song is just so nostalgic.. the "you suck!" chant also has a ton of good memories from our playoff run, honestly my favorite moment in the house the last few years were some of the big goals scored against Philly and NYR. I do find the chant stupid when we are losing and don't participate then.. otherwise, if that offends you, make sure to wear earplugs wherever you go.
 

sbresistor

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The Devils are 13-12 in their last 25 home games. Not a tough enough place to play apparently.




We'll, the team actually has to be competent as well. That is better than their overall win percentage

But yeah, maybe playing Bon jovi will toughen the place
 

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I first heard that song at the Pats game when Brett Favre got squashed like a bug when playing for the Vikings a couple of years ago.

I've hated that song the second I heard it and when I heard our new goal song, I was literaly angry instead of being happy we scored.

That goal song is nothing short of pure garbage, period.
 

Iceman78

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For those of you as angry as I am regarding the new goal song, let's try to organize this to get "Rock and Roll Pt II" back.

1. If you're on Twitter, tweet this: "@NHLDevils @NHLDevilsPR #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack #ChangeItBack". Spamming hashtags got Marty on the cover of NHL 14---a much more improbable challenge than merely overwhelming the Devils marketing dept with complaints.

2. If you're on Facebook, keep complaining every time the official Devils Facebook page makes a post of any kind.

3. Monday morning, call up the Devils and vocally complain. Not only will you be letting management know our disgust---you'll also be tying up the lines and potentially hindering ticket sales.

4. The fourth is the most extreme---and I don't expect many to follow suit. Do not buy tickets for games until they change it back. Sometimes, the only way to get an owner to listen is to boycott games. I plan to still watch the games from home---but will not be attending any games until the goal song is changed. It literally was not enjoyable when the Devils scored the other night---and that's inexcusable. As such, boycott buying tickets. (And no, this will not bankrupt our team as our owner is a billionaire)
 

Marv4Life

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Yeah, boycott games for a stupid goal song change but don't boycott due to a lousy team and the ownership jacking up prices for a lousy product.
 

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Almost every comment on the Devils facebook is about the goal song.

Lets see how committed to fan input this new regime is.
 

glenwo2

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sounds like a great idea to utilize.. the pre-season

*EXACTLY*. The pre-season.....NOT NOW. :shakehead

Devils PR(or whomever thought of this) fell asleep at the wheel here....



For what it's worth my sources say the song got changed because Gary Glitter touches little kids and has nothing to do with the "hey, you suck".

We use a cover version, from my understanding. I've heard numerous times that Glitter doesn't get one red cent from the Devils.

And his conviction was nearly a decade ago. He served his time, and we've stopped and re-started using RRP2 since then.

Yep. I still don't understand why people continue to harp on that as one main reason not to play the song.

The song isn't the monster; the man is. And it's an INSTRUMENTAL version(with only the "Hey" part).


I'm going to have to question whether Datboy even has "sources" or perhaps he's just channelling Manish Mehta. :sarcasm:
 
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Captain Lou

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When the game is decided well before the final horn doesn't it seem stupid to chant "You suck!" especially when we're down 6-1?

I've seen this bandied about during this discourse and I believe it's a strawman's argument and designed to throw the original discussion off course. By that token, why even bother sounding the horn or even cheering when we score a goal in that situation? I mean, it's a meaningless goal...right?

First of all, how many times does this actually happen? Once or twice a season? Second, what is the arbitrary point at which you are not allowed to say it? 3-0? 4-0? And...who gets to decide this? How do you know it's not the first goal in a comeback? The funniest part is that the "you suck" directed at the other team during the situation you describe is probably the most appropriate time to use it!

I don't care about the song or the "you suck". I just want something that allows the entire arena to cheer/chant. However, it's obvious to me that regardless of the song they choose, many fans will still say "you suck" and there is nothing that anyone can do about that.
 

glenwo2

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The fans who chanted "You Suck" on their own last night were doing that to SPITE fans like Marv and others who get all worked up over the "possibility" of being down 6-1 and being "embarassed" about that. I mean if you're so embarassed, then either get some earplugs so you won't hear it or just get up and leave to beat the traffic home.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head forcing you to stay during a blow-out loss, right? :dunno:
 

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The "Hey" song will never be back. Unfortunately a certain sector of our fan base has ruined it. Lou and the owners do not like to hear "you suck" shouted around the arena and I don't disagree with them in the least.

As soon as they would play that song again the goons would go right back to what NJDs management does not want to hear.

The Bon Jovi song is another issue though. That song is not a hockey song and whoever came up with that soft song has bad taste and may have a political agenda.
 

NJDevs26

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For what it's worth my sources say the song got changed because Gary Glitter touches little kids and has nothing to do with the "hey, you suck".

If that's true then almost all of the anti R&RP2 arguments are out the window.

It also means Devil management is either morons (or lying) since I'd be willing to wager maybe 25% of the audience even knows Gary Glitter's a ****** anyway, and only .2% actually care in the context of enjoying the song. It's a song, bfd. And like others have said they went through this the last time and made sure he personally didn't get royalties from the song before they brought it back.
 

ThePSEGPowerPoster

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Am I the only one here who doesn't think "Hey! You Suck!" Is offensive?

At least not anymore than chanting whiner at Gretzky, Wendy at Wendel, Gilmour is a rapist, Potvin Sucks .... Rangers Suck...or "Sucks!" During intros.

Oh no please don't take away intros :(
 

StvBroDan

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They can bring the original song back and play something after You Suck to drown out the other garbage. Happy Medium DO IT
 

None Shall Pass

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True; Churhill didn't say that, frankly most politically charged quotes on the internet aren't said by whom their attributed to (Jefferson seems to get it the worst).

But what you say in the above is statistically about as inaccurate as possible (and that's without addressing the misuse of the word "regression").

It is a basic political fact that the younger a person is, the more likely they are to be liberal leaning, and people generally move to the right politically as they age. This is such a hard-wired politiclaly accepted fact, that both the DNC and RNC allocate millions of dollars attempting to exploit this via targeted marketing and market spend.

There's a good satire of internet quotations somewhere that I'm too lazy to look for, but the gist of it is: "The internet is great for education." - Abraham Lincoln. :) That's generally why I do a fair bit of research before I quote people. Learned that lesson a few times.

As someone who has a degree in political science (one of my focuses, actually, was polling), I have to take umbrage with your criticisms, though.

It's less that people move right as they age, and more that definitions of what "liberal" and "conservative" mean change with generations. (Not so much with economics, but with social norms, absolutely). In the 50s and 60s, for example, you were a bit more "liberal" if you thought black people should be able to vote. Today, that is an expected norm, and you are rightly criticized if you think otherwise. As time goes on, social norms in America have become more and more inclusive and less exclusive. Landowner's rights -> Women's rights -> Civil rights -> (Gay rights today?). And as time goes on, culture changes to the point that people say things like "Why were women ever banned from voting to begin with?". In a few decades we may all be saying "Why were gay people prevented from marrying, anyway?".

I'm inclined to believe from my education in the field that it's less that people move to the right (again, socially) and more that the definitions of social liberal and social conservative move to the left as time moves forward and circumstances change. I've read numerous studies that said that people's political beliefs don't change drastically from their late twenties onwards.

And as for regression, the non-mathematical definiton is "a return to a former or less developed state." I don't see the fault there.
 

Devils Dominion

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I'm all for signing petitions, emailing or calling the organization regarding the goal song but boycotting games won't accomplish anything and it hurts the players/team. Voicing displeasure in the arena is a much better way to get the powers that be attention.
 

NBC Hockey

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I don't need the old goal song back. I mean, I liked how loud it got the crowd but I always wanted the chant to be more dedicated to the Devils and not the opposing team.

BUT the thing that bothers me is that this song is just...terrible. Pick Blitzkrieg Bop, Uprising, anything that gives the crowd an opportunity to make some organized noise. It is fun to chant as a group, and goals used to guarantee that happening.
 

Sarge18

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My question is, where was this outrage in 2006 when they got rid of it the first time? I don't remember endless threads about it. It wasn't until they brought it back and everyone started yelling you suck to it that there's all this fury now that it's gone again.

I'll agree with everyone that the team couldn't have botched this any more than this though. Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that Gary Glitter is a subhuman piece of garbage. In the 90s when everyone would yell Rangers suck after the organist played Let's Go Team, they stopped him from playing it.
 

Officer Rod Farva

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My question is, where was this outrage in 2006 when they got rid of it the first time? I don't remember endless threads about it. It wasn't until they brought it back and everyone started yelling you suck to it that there's all this fury now that it's gone again.

I'll agree with everyone that the team couldn't have botched this any more than this though. Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that Gary Glitter is a subhuman piece of garbage. In the 90s when everyone would yell Rangers suck after the organist played Let's Go Team, they stopped him from playing it.

I remember people wanting it back in 2006.
 

AZNDevil

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Someone put together a video on Youtube of Rock and Roll part 2 being used early in the 90s. I like that old goal siren, before they got the horn (or audio file or whatever).

 

NJDevs26

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This thread is a perfect example of how Devil fans cannibalize their own.

I don't get how everyone that likes the song automatically has to be slotted into the '20-year old wasted white trash' category, when it's not in fact the case. Or if someone says it's the most fun part of a game and gets ripped on it - heaven forbid celebrating a Devil goal is the most fun part of a game.
 

Wingman77

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My question is, where was this outrage in 2006 when they got rid of it the first time? I don't remember endless threads about it. It wasn't until they brought it back and everyone started yelling you suck to it that there's all this fury now that it's gone again.

I'll agree with everyone that the team couldn't have botched this any more than this though. Also, this has nothing to do with the fact that Gary Glitter is a subhuman piece of garbage. In the 90s when everyone would yell Rangers suck after the organist played Let's Go Team, they stopped him from playing it.

Social media has made drastic changes in these past 7 years that more people than ever are participating online in some form

This board had far less activity 7 years ago
 
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