Blue Jays Discussion: New Contract offer to Vladdy? Berrios opening Day pitcher
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While I don't necessarily like it, I think they are trying to split up Santander and Kirk to lower the number of DP (while not having confidence in anyone else leading off). Hopefully, one of the kids takes the leadoff spot, which would fix this.
Chaos2k7
Believe!
In a perfect world Bo, Vladdy and Santander should be 3, 4, and 5
You would think yeah. That's pretty much all of your power so you would think you'd want them in the heart of the order.
He's actually insane if he's turning this down.
Chaos2k7
Believe!
I would go:
Springer
Rodan
Bo
Vladdy
Santander
Kirk
Wagner
Clement
Gimenez
Aggressive for Springer and Rodan I admit
Is it just me, or does Vladdy's ask keep going up every time one of these rumours comes out?
*Vladdy's looking for $450 million but the Jays aren't close*
*Jays are offering $400+ million*
*Vladdy's looking for $500 million*
*Jays are willing to go close to $500 million*
*Vladdy's looking for $550-600 million*
*Jays are offering $550-600 million*
tmlfan98
No More Excuses #MarnerOut
I've had serious doubts that Vlad's camp has been negotiating in good faith.
I think i've seen the 500-600 million range is where it's been for the last few weeks.
Really makes you wonder where his head is at. I saw a couple fans on reddit say it's starting to feel like Vladdy is moving the goal posts so he can make it look like he wanted to stay but it didn't work out.
At this point i'm not really sure what to make of it. it sure feels like the Jays are doing what they can to the best of their abilities and they're getting screwed around, but i'm not in the negotiating room.
Edit: Also worth pointing out he probably loses out on money if he goes to FA at this point. There's no way a team would give him 550 million on the open market.
Seems obvious that he just wants to go to FA.
Can’t blame management or ownership if he doesn’t sign. This contract is more than fair.
If those numbers are true, it pretty much signals he doesn't want to remain a Blue Jay.
Or he really overrates himself.
landy92mack29
Registered User
They aren't using the same base. 450 and 400 were NPV. 500 was Vladdy's initial ask. The last numbers are actual dollars (including deferrals). It's lazy reporting.
TheBeastCoast
Registered User
The problem is that when the media is crap reporting, we don't know what's going on.
A gap could mean that they are a couple of million apart or it could mean that the Jays offered the same thing structured differently.
The best bet is to wait while this happens and if talks break down, we will likely find out more (in like terms instead of random numbers). Made and offer and there is a gap could easily mean that the Jays bridged the gap some and are expecting Vladdy to bridge it the rest of the way (ie on a 50M difference, maybe they offer 20M more and hope that Vladdy's camp comes back with 25 or 30M more than the original offer).
The Jays reported that the 450 and 500 numbers were NPV when the deadline passed. I believe it was BNS. He also mentioned that it was more than 450M in actual money (some deferrals). There was a dollar difference but there were also some structural differences in what both sides wanted (Vladdy's side was asking for "escalators")
Now that I've posted this, I see SN has posted an article today: Report: Blue Jays make another offer to Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
This references the same thing.
In theatres, they shut off the house lights (the ones that light up the entire theatre) then the lights for stage are all on sliders, so they literally have to be slid up.
