Rumor: Necas (CAR) on the market

[andora]

This guy has big pay raise for potential and never live up to it written all over it

 

[Some Other Flame]

If this is true and Necas can play center, I would have to think the Flames would be all over this

 

[BHawk21]

Why would Carolina be involved in something like that where they’re trying to win a cup?

You just said it would be a hockey trade. Am I not in a thread that says Necas is on the market?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Except, ya know, all the times they did:

Aho, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Pesce, Slavin...

I could see Jake taking something a bit less than market value if there's a true contender there. I could see a $9mil x 4-5yrs if the lure is being slotted next to Svechnikov and Aho for a couple seasons of serious cup contention.

Those aren’t the same things…..

Aho is a core piece, a 1C, who has played in the system a long time and younger at the start of his extension
KK is well younger and much cheaper
Staal is a short contract and much cheaper (his 10 year deal he was mostly during his 20s)
Svech- much cheaper and younger
Slavin and Pesce contracts were during their 20s.

That isn’t comparable to a max extension and huge money for a guy who will have played 3 months with the team and will be 30 day 1 of the new deal.

 

[Czechboy]

goalies don’t pull that value
Goalies having a sub par year don’t pull that value
Undersized goalies who are due for substantial raise in 1.25 years who are underperforming really don’t pull that value.

The canes claimed a guy who is well outperforming Saros. Why would we make an expensive trade for a goalie?

SNS said the same thing. I was actually think people would say Necas wouldn't be enough. Glad he's thought of this highly to be honest.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

3 team trade where he ends up in Chicago.

sure if bedard is coming back

 

[Kupo]

Larry brooks is the source? Lol

He's been involved with the NHL for over 4 decades. He's a dope that I don't particularly like, but he absolutely has his sources.

 

[BHawk21]

sure if bedard is coming back

Do people not understand what a 3 team trade is?

 

[AKL]

Carolina doesn’t necessarily have to pay him this Summer. Look at the Fiala/Bratt/Reinhart arc. ELC —> 2 year bridge —> 1 year punt (in the $5 mil range) —> trade or long-term extension.

Two of those guys ended up getting traded though

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

He's been involved with the NHL for over 4 decades. He's a dope that I don't particularly like, but he absolutely has his sources.

He doesn’t gets rangers stuff right so no way he has inside knowledge of Carolina stuff when even guys who cover Carolina every day don’t have inside information

 

[SnS]

Except, ya know, all the times they did:

Aho, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Pesce, Slavin...

I could see Jake taking something a bit less than market value if there's a true contender there. I could see a $9mil x 4-5yrs if the lure is being slotted next to Svechnikov and Aho for a couple seasons of serious cup contention.

Aho, matched offer sheet.
Svech, drafted.
Kot, signed an offer sheet under 5M cap hit.
Staal, traded for, didn’t sign a massive cap.

Pesce and Slavin both drafted….

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Do people not understand what a 3 team trade is?

do you not understand what my way of saying no is? don't care who the 3rd team is, there's no scenario where the blackhawks are involved in a Necas trade. because a Necas trade isn't happening

 

[olli]

Except, ya know, all the times they did:

Aho, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Pesce, Slavin...

I could see Jake taking something a bit less than market value if there's a true contender there. I could see a $9mil x 4-5yrs if the lure is being slotted next to Svechnikov and Aho for a couple seasons of serious cup contention.

Those guys were all significantly younger than Jake when they signed their deals

 

[SnS]

You just said it would be a hockey trade. Am I not in a thread that says Necas is on the market?

I also don’t believe he’s on the market. I’d imagine if the Necas is available, it’s only for an improvement of their team.

 

[SEALBound]

Those aren’t the same things…..

Aho is a core piece, a 1C, who has played in the system a long time and younger at the start of his extension
KK is well younger and much cheaper
Staal is a short contract and much cheaper (his 10 year deal he was mostly during his 20s)
Svech- much cheaper and younger
Slavin and Pesce contracts were during their 20s.

That isn’t comparable to a max extension and huge money for a guy who will have played 3 months with the team and will be 30 day 1 of the new deal.

I don't disagree, I'm just pushing back on the mere idea that Carolina doesn't give out "huge contracts".

It's also why I suggested adding the conditional 2nd to Guentzel based on resigning. If he doesn't resign, you get two assets - the rental of Jake for the playoffs and a 2nd round pick which should be around 40-45. If Necas is on the market and they are truly looking for an upgrade, it's not a terrible option.

 

[BHawk21]

do you not understand what my way of saying no is? don't care who the 3rd team is, there's no scenario where the blackhawks are involved in a Necas trade. because a Necas trade isn't happening

Well then you shouldnt be in a Rumor Thread of Necas being available because thats what people are going to talk about.

 

[SnS]

I don't disagree, I'm just pushing back on the mere idea that Carolina doesn't give out "huge contracts".

It's also why I suggested adding the conditional 2nd to Guentzel based on resigning. If he doesn't resign, you get two assets - the rental of Jake for the playoffs and a 2nd round pick which should be around 40-45. If Necas is on the market and they are truly looking for an upgrade, it's not a terrible option.

And that’s not worth it for the Canes, in my opinion.

I think that would be a horrible use of Necas trade value.

 

[SEALBound]

If this is true and Necas can play center, I would have to think the Flames would be all over this

This is another thing I've been meaning to ask Canes fans - he's listed at RW only and I know he's been at RW for awhile but I thought earlier in the career he was a center. Is he both or has he switched solely to RW or...? What's the deal there?

 

[BHawk21]

I also don’t believe he’s on the market. I’d imagine if the Necas is available, it’s only for an improvement of their team.

Yes, something thats possible in a three team trade.

 

[SnS]

Yes, something thats possible in a three team trade.

It makes no sense to have a third team in it, just deal directly for the piece or pieces they need.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don't disagree, I'm just pushing back on the mere idea that Carolina doesn't give out "huge contracts".

It's also why I suggested adding the conditional 2nd to Guentzel based on resigning. If he doesn't resign, you get two assets - the rental of Jake for the playoffs and a 2nd round pick which should be around 40-45. If Necas is on the market and they are truly looking for an upgrade, it's not a terrible option.

Re-signing conditions aren’t allowed

We don’t do massive extensions for 30 year olds

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Except, ya know, all the times they did:

Aho, Svechnikov, Kotkaniemi, Staal, Pesce, Slavin...

I could see Jake taking something a bit less than market value if there's a true contender there. I could see a $9mil x 4-5yrs if the lure is being slotted next to Svechnikov and Aho for a couple seasons of serious cup contention.

The keys comps are Faulk, Hamilton and Trocheck. Other contenders generally make the commitment to late 20s players because it's the cost of doing business. Carolina has gone the other way. It's worked out well enough (the Faulk trade motivated the Skjei trade, DeAngelo/Burns have replaced Hamilton, not so much with Kotkaniemi and Trocheck).

 

[SEALBound]

Re-signing conditions aren’t allowed

Damn, you're right. Had to look that. Didn't realize they axed that.

The keys comps are Faulk, Hamilton and Trocheck. Other contenders generally make the commitment to late 20s players because it's the cost of doing business. Carolina has gone the other way. It's worked out well enough (the Faulk trade motivated the Skjei trade, DeAngelo/Burns have replaced Hamilton, not so much with Kotkaniemi and Trocheck).

It's certainly a decent and conservative way to run a team.

However I would point to very little playoff success as a reason they may want to make a splash.

 

[BHawk21]

It makes no sense to have a third team in it, just deal directly for the piece or pieces they need.

You have no idea. Maybe the other team doesnt need or want to pay Necas and can get 1sts or Vlasic Del Mastro Moore or Nazar. You also dont know what Necas is asking Carolina for.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Necas is a RW that plays C on the ice. Those speed bursts are not coming from stop/starts; he’s not a straight line forechecker like Kreider. He’s reloading with the puck and attacking with speed constantly. He's MacKinnon lite. In the defensive zone, with the man on man system, it’s hard to distinguish who’s playing what on any individual shift.

Whether another organization sees him as an actual center is a question mark.