News Article: NCC putting in a lot of conditions for the downtown site

[UglyPuckling]

I probably shouldn't weigh in as I'm out of touch with these things in Ottawa but at the CTC you're talking about the majority of vehicles funnelling to one route (417 East) whereas an arena at Lebreton cars would be scattered along multiple routes in every direction. Southbound routes (Booth, Preston, Bronson) would likely need to consume the most but it's well situated for relatively equal dispersal in all directions.

Downtown arenas are not inherently difficult to leave from, usually it's the opposite especially if pedestrians and vehicles don't conflict and it's safe to assume a key feature to a Lebreton arena would be a pedestrian overpass or two.

Aren’t there a lot more traffic lights though on those streets (Booth, Preston, Bronson)? Would think fans using the streets that lead to them going east on the Queensway would also be downtown streets with a lot of stop lights as well? I guess if the timing of when the lights turn green and the resulting flow through successive intersections with traffic lights could be controlled though.

 

[Stylizer1]

Could be wrong, but I assume he was saying on the occasions where he leaves later than usual, the parking is empty at 5.

I try to leave work by 3 to beat the traffic but occasionally I'll work till 4 and it doubles my commute time.

how long is your normal commute time?

 

[Stylizer1]

No. I literally said "when I leave at 5". That can mean that I'm differentiating it from other times when I don't leave at 5.

Sometimes I work longer, but usually when I leave at 5, it's because of after work social.

Funny thing, when I leave at 5, I'm also home around 5:30, because it seems most of the traffic is done by then.

I don't seem to take any longer whether I leave around 4 or 5. It's 30 mins give or take a few mins.

I've left the parking garage at 3:55, and been home by 4:20 in my basement smoking a bowl on good days.

You shouldn't smoke in your house if you have kids dude.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Aren’t there a lot more traffic lights though on those streets (Booth, Preston, Bronson)? Would think fans using the streets that lead to them going east on the Queensway would also be downtown streets with a lot of stop lights as well? I guess if the timing of when the lights turn green and the resulting flow through successive intersections with traffic lights could be controlled though.

The lights would be controlled and you would have traffic marshals for the first few intersections. If you're talking 5000 cars with 6 different dispersal patterns that's about 750 cars per route. Under the right conditions it is not hard to move 750 cars. The limitation wouldn't be the roadways, it would be the design options for how the parking lots feed the roadways.

Add that to the list of things the Sens would have to arm wrestle the NCC over...

 

[UglyPuckling]

The lights would be controlled and you would have traffic marshals for the first few intersections. If you're talking 5000 cars with 6 different dispersal patterns that's about 750 cars per route. Under the right conditions it is not hard to move 750 cars. The limitation wouldn't be the roadways, it would be the design options for how the parking lots feed the roadways.

Add that to the list of things the Sens would have to arm wrestle the NCC over...

Ya, getting out of the parking lots (and parking garages especially) is always a challenge regardless of where they are located.

5,000 cars sounds a bit light for 17,000 - 18,000 fans, but I haven’t seen or drilled into any kind of analysis, so there’s that.

Bronson is a slow street even mid day from what I recall.

 

[Micklebot]

how long is your normal commute time?

about 25-35 mins, a touch longer coming home than going in.

 

[Stylizer1]

about 25-35 mins, a touch longer coming home than going in.

so about an hour if you leave after 4? You live in Orleans?

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I came of age on the weekend 3am 95 to Place D'Orleans. I saw things I should have never seen.

Nothing like taking the 95 home from Algonquin College heading to Gatineau at 11pm on a Friday night. I might still have PTSD.

 

[Micklebot]

so about an hour if you leave after 4? You live in Orleans?

I'm in Orleans and work in the west end, so it's pretty much driving to the CTC every time I go in..

Google maps estimates the drive at 4 with 30-55 mins, where as if I leave just before 3 it has 24-40

 

[Stylizer1]

I'm in Orleans and work in the west end, so it's pretty much driving to the CTC every time I go in..

Google maps estimates the drive at 4 with 30-55 mins, where as if I leave just before 3 it has 24-40

You should just tell your company to move downtown so it will take the same amount of time to drive. lol

 

[Relapsing]

Nothing like taking the 95 home from Algonquin College heading to Gatineau at 11pm on a Friday night. I might still have PTSD.

The 11 is the only bus I have PTSD about - I've seen some wild shit on that one.

 

[Stylizer1]

The 11 is the only bus I have PTSD about - I've seen some wild shit on that one.

111?

 

[jbeck5]

Obviously it's not every time but when you are making an argument and you pick a time one would think that is the average time you leave.

Making an argument about a time has nothing to do with an average time I leave. Sorry.

 

[jbeck5]

You shouldn't smoke in your house if you have kids dude.

I don't...I've lived here for longer than I had a daughter.

Again, wrong.

Why do you keep making wrong confrontational posts? Lol

Maybe you need to go outside and smoke and chill.

 

[jbeck5]

You should just tell your company to move downtown so it will take the same amount of time to drive. lol

It would take less time if they were downtown...

 

[Stylizer1]

It would take less time if they were downtown...

Not by your math.

 

[Stylizer1]

I don't...I've lived here for longer than I had a daughter.

Again, wrong.

Why do you keep making wrong confrontational posts? Lol

Maybe you need to go outside and smoke and chill.

I've left the parking garage at 3:55, and been home by 4:20 in my basement smoking a bowl on good days.

You wrote it.

They are not confrontational posts. Just questioning what you wrote and you trying to defend it.

You beat traffic no matter what time and you smoke in your basement but you don't.

What ever man. lol

 

[Relapsing]

Found myself last night walking through Lebreton with a friend of mine who's worked on a lot of transit infrastructure projects in Ottawa on the planning side, and he raised two pretty interesting notes about the location, parking, and transit.

1) Temporary parking: I haven't double checked this, but he said there's a line item in the proposal about building temporary parking lots in addition to the site parking. Will need to unpack that later.

2) Transit and Queuing: I was bemoaning the lack of station in the arena itself. From a planning perspective, he said they typically wouldn't want that anyways: It limits the space for people to queue to get into the building which can lead to other issues. Rather, you want to give space for people to line up and stagger their arrival times. In addition, having people walk a bit entices them to stop in at a bar or restaurant before/after the game, which further spreads out arrival/departures to lessen the loading on transit and roads.

Think of it this way - At the CTC now, there's tons of space in front of the main entrance for people to queue to go through metal detectors/bag checks. If there were, say, some bars/restaurants around that entrance, I for one would absolutely duck into a bar for a quick drink vs standing and waiting the whole time.

Anyways, thought some might appreciate the perspective of someone who's been on the other side of the fence.

 

[Stylizer1]

And in other news.....

OC Transpo experiencing slower service on O-Train Line 2

Customers warned to expect service delays for the rest of the day.

ottawacitizen.com

It should be fixed in time for puck drop 2042 on Lebreton.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

What did the NCC have to do with light rail

Unfortunately the NCC plays an important behind-the-scenes role in Ottawa’s light rail (LRT) projects because it owns and manages a lot of the land the train runs through—like near the Ottawa River, the Greenbelt, and LeBreton Flats. While the NCC doesn’t build or operate the trains, it has to approve any use of its land, and it often reviews the design to make sure it fits with the capital’s look and feel.

Sometimes this leads to delays or changes in the LRT plans. For example, the City of Ottawa had to negotiate with the NCC over where the tracks could go near the river, especially along scenic parkways. The NCC also gets involved in public consultations and environmental reviews when federal lands are affected. So, while the NCC isn’t running the trains, its approval is critical for getting key parts of the system built.

So a bit more involvement than their usual mountains of red tape.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Well, I’ll just throw out one thought or maybe a question for you. If you compare the current traffic flow out of the CTC with what it will be out of a Lebreton arena, which do you think will flow better? IE, do you think the wait times to get out of the park8ng lots at the Lebreton arena will be shorter than they are now?

IMO, they will be quite a bit longer (assuming they have parking for around 5000 cars as per my earlier post).

The proposed NHL arena at LeBreton Flats is designed with minimal on-site parking. Unlike the current Canadian Tire Centre in Kanata, which offers over 5,600 parking spots, the new downtown arena plans to have only a few hundred underground spaces, primarily for VIPs, staff, and suite holders . This approach reflects a broader trend in urban arena development, aiming to reduce car dependency and encourage the use of public transit. The arena's proximity to both Pimisi and Bayview LRT stations—just a short walk away—supports this strategy. Additionally, the surrounding area lacks large surface parking lots, further discouraging car use.

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While the exact number of parking spots hasn't been finalized, the emphasis is on creating a pedestrian-friendly environment with easy access to public transit. This design aims to integrate the arena into the urban fabric of Ottawa, reducing traffic congestion and promoting sustainable transportation options

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Getting to the Queensway from Lebreton is a pain in the ass. You basically have Bronson that is the only access that goes west and using it going east for lets say 2000 cars at the same time, good luck. I can only imagine what those residential streets are going to go through on game night. Expect a series of 1 way streets to come into effect. Those downtown roads can't handle that many cars with any efficient system.

There will be about 500 parking spots, onsite at the proposed Arena at Lebreton… so there won’t be an issue of thousands of cars leaving the Arena after a game…

 

[Micklebot]

The proposed NHL arena at LeBreton Flats is designed with minimal on-site parking. Unlike the current Canadian Tire Centre in Kanata, which offers over 5,600 parking spots, the new downtown arena plans to have only a few hundred underground spaces, primarily for VIPs, staff, and suite holders . This approach reflects a broader trend in urban arena development, aiming to reduce car dependency and encourage the use of public transit. The arena's proximity to both Pimisi and Bayview LRT stations—just a short walk away—supports this strategy. Additionally, the surrounding area lacks large surface parking lots, further discouraging car use.

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While the exact number of parking spots hasn't been finalized, the emphasis is on creating a pedestrian-friendly environment with easy access to public transit. This design aims to integrate the arena into the urban fabric of Ottawa, reducing traffic congestion and promoting sustainable transportation options

Hmm.... bbs.comefromchina.com eh...

Links with URLs appended with utm_source=chatgpt.com....

It's official, AI has put Tnouc out of a job...

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

The lights would be controlled and you would have traffic marshals for the first few intersections. If you're talking 5000 cars with 6 different dispersal patterns that's about 750 cars per route. Under the right conditions it is not hard to move 750 cars. The limitation wouldn't be the roadways, it would be the design options for how the parking lots feed the roadways.

Add that to the list of things the Sens would have to arm wrestle the NCC over...

With a proposal of about 500 parking spots at the Arena at Lebreton, there will NOT be 5000 vehicle departing the Arena after games…the bulk of fans will be using public transit to either get home, or to where their vehicle maybe parked a few stops away.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Ya, getting out of the parking lots (and parking garages especially) is always a challenge regardless of where they are located.

5,000 cars sounds a bit light for 17,000 - 18,000 fans, but I haven’t seen or drilled into any kind of analysis, so there’s that.

Bronson is a slow street even mid day from what I recall.

The CTC currently has about 5600 parking spots.
Again, the new Arena, if built at Lebreton, will only have about 500 parking spots.