News Article: NCC putting in a lot of conditions for the downtown site

[Nac Mac Feegle]

getting rid of the 95 so the youth of today won't get to experience the Friday/Saturday 3am 95 is as big of a cultural blow as shutting down 99 Rideau St.

...or Rock Junction. I got half my wardrobe (and albums) there as a teen.

 

[Tuna99]

Not the current system, my wife is about one hour and 40 minutes each way, on the days she goes in. Usually most days, gets a notice that bus XX is canceled, which adds another 30 minutes.

NCC ruined a perfectly good transit system to show the world they are an incompetent bureaucracy and unholy qualified to build anything

People from the NCC should be in jail for the O train corruption.

 

[Stylizer1]

...or Rock Junction. I got half my wardrobe (and albums) there as a teen.

I didn't even no it closed down. That building was a dump though. Cool stuff.

The Skinhead Castle Grayskull it was. lol

 

[GCK]

NCC ruined a perfectly good transit system to show the world they are an incompetent bureaucracy and unholy qualified to build anything

People from the NCC should be in jail for the O train corruption.

What did the NCC have to do with light rail

 

[Stylizer1]

What did the NCC have to do with light rail

The National Capital Commission (NCC) and the City of Ottawa are collaborating on several light rail transit (LRT) projects in Ottawa. The NCC is involved in the alignment of the western LRT extension, ensuring it's fully buried under a reconstructed Sir John A. Macdonald Boulevard. Additionally, the City of Ottawa is planning for future LRT extensions to Barrhaven and Kanata, with the NCC playing a role in ensuring the project's environmental assessment and planning are aligned with national capital interests

 

[GCK]

The National Capital Commission (NCC) and the City of Ottawa are collaborating on several light rail transit (LRT) projects in Ottawa. The NCC is involved in the alignment of the western LRT extension, ensuring it's fully buried under a reconstructed Sir John A. Macdonald Boulevard. Additionally, the City of Ottawa is planning for future LRT extensions to Barrhaven and Kanata, with the NCC playing a role in ensuring the project's environmental assessment and planning are aligned with national capital interests

So almost nothing.

 

[Tuna99]

So almost nothing.

If you consider an environmental assessment of farm land takes 3 years and cost $200 million dollars to receive a document that says “pay attention. there are ducks over there ” then yes they ARE doing nothing, but that nothing costs $200 million and causes 3 years of delay

 

[aragorn]

If you consider an environmental assessment of farm land takes 3 years and cost $200 million dollars to receive a document that says “pay attention. there are ducks over there ” then yes they ARE doing nothing, but that nothing costs $200 million and causes 3 years of delay

It takes 10 yrs to start a mine in Canada & an encyclopedia of red tape, of course, in Greenland it takes 16 yrs to start a mine, so there's that.

 

[Micklebot]

I disagree with that. The unreliability of the trains turned the people away from it. Public transit needs to be reliable and predictable. OC isn't.

I stopped taking the bus in 2008 when they had that strike. Prior to that, daily user in and out of downtown. Post strike I kept driving and my neighbours all told me the service went to hell.

I agree the phased approach wasn't great but the first few years the service was completely unreliable. Day to day you didn't know if the train would actually run.

Yeah, the initial unreliability was also a big issue and that moved people away, as did a pandemic 6 months after its launch.

I guess I was more focused on issues that were planned, rather than unexpected ones, but you're right, the reliability not being there affected even those where the service theoretically was ideal for their needs so it undoubtedly impacted more people.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

getting rid of the 95 so the youth of today won't get to experience the Friday/Saturday 3am 95 is as big of a cultural blow as shutting down 99 Rideau St.

I came of age on the weekend 3am 95 to Place D'Orleans. I saw things I should have never seen.

 

[Tuna99]

Yeah, the initial unreliability was also a big issue and that moved people away, as did a pandemic 6 months after its launch.

I guess I was more focused on issues that were planned, rather than unexpected ones, but you're right, the reliability not being there affected even those where the service theoretically was ideal for their needs so it undoubtedly impacted more people.

The O-train Started 6 years ago and 2 weeks ago it was only working 6 days a week.

Should start calling it the ‘Zero-train’ instead of the O-train.

 

[aragorn]

The O-train Started 6 years ago and 2 weeks ago it was only working 6 days a week.

Should start calling it the ‘Zero-train’ instead of the O-train.

Another Big O White Elephant.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

It doesn't though. It's mostly between 4-530.

When I leave work at 5, the parking garage is 90% empty. Most have already left before 5.

To be fair, those days exist with oc transpo too. Funny story. My buddy who takes the bus appeared on the front page of the newspaper TWICE in a few months looking all pissed off in a crowd of 100s of people waiting for buses to replace the rail that wasn't working.

The hope would be that those lights could be green for the most part at this time of the night.

Also part of what makes gridlock is that the cars leaving, are blocked by cars ahead...but the rest of the area will be empty, so nothing will be slowing down the first cars out like a normal day of commuting does. Should allow for more flow. Normally, even if you're beating the rush out of the downtown core towards the highway, the highway is already bumper to bumper from people getting on from all over the city, which makes things stop to a crawl. Those feeder streets to the highway are stopped because they can't get on the highway fast enough because it's blocked. This wouldn't be the case after a sens game. Once you get on the highway, it should be fast flowing with nothing ahead blocking you. The amount of people would only be like 10% of what a normal commute looks like. Will be breeze. You might have congestion the first few blocks around the arena, but that's why if you're smart, you'll park a few blocks away and can briskly walk/jog to your car and get in where traffic is thinner and then get on the highway and fly to your suburb because 10pm traffic is non existent in the Ottawa core most nights lol

Well, I’ll just throw out one thought or maybe a question for you. If you compare the current traffic flow out of the CTC with what it will be out of a Lebreton arena, which do you think will flow better? IE, do you think the wait times to get out of the park8ng lots at the Lebreton arena will be shorter than they are now?

IMO, they will be quite a bit longer (assuming they have parking for around 5000 cars as per my earlier post).

 

[The Expert]

And who do you think suggested to the CP that they should do an ATIP request?

Probably the first journalism professor the author of the article ever had? ATIP requests are common sense for these things.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Well, I’ll just throw out one thought or maybe a question for you. If you compare the current traffic flow out of the CTC with what it will be out of a Lebreton arena, which do you think will flow better? IE, do you think the wait times to get out of the park8ng lots at the Lebreton arena will be shorter than they are now?

IMO, they will be quite a bit longer (assuming they have parking for around 5000 cars as per my earlier post).

I probably shouldn't weigh in as I'm out of touch with these things in Ottawa but at the CTC you're talking about the majority of vehicles funnelling to one route (417 East) whereas an arena at Lebreton cars would be scattered along multiple routes in every direction. Southbound routes (Booth, Preston, Bronson) would likely need to consume the most but it's well situated for relatively equal dispersal in all directions.

Downtown arenas are not inherently difficult to leave from, usually it's the opposite especially if pedestrians and vehicles don't conflict and it's safe to assume a key feature to a Lebreton arena would be a pedestrian overpass or two.

 

[Stylizer1]

I probably shouldn't weigh in as I'm out of touch with these things in Ottawa but at the CTC you're talking about the majority of vehicles funnelling to one route (417 East) whereas an arena at Lebreton cars would be scattered along multiple routes in every direction. Southbound routes (Booth, Preston, Bronson) would likely need to consume the most but it's well situated for relatively equal dispersal in all directions.

Downtown arenas are not inherently difficult to leave from, usually it's the opposite especially if pedestrians and vehicles don't conflict and it's safe to assume a key feature to a Lebreton arena would be a pedestrian overpass or two.

Getting to the Queensway from Lebreton is a pain in the ass. You basically have Bronson that is the only access that goes west and using it going east for lets say 2000 cars at the same time, good luck. I can only imagine what those residential streets are going to go through on game night. Expect a series of 1 way streets to come into effect. Those downtown roads can't handle that many cars with any efficient system.

 

[Masked]

Downtown arenas are not inherently difficult to leave from, usually it's the opposite especially if pedestrians and vehicles don't conflict and it's safe to assume a key feature to a Lebreton arena would be a pedestrian overpass or two.

A pedestrian overpass or three would solve a lot of the issues with the CTC parking lots.

 

[jbeck5]

next time you go into work lets see some time stamps at key locations. At 5pm the Queensway is bumper to bumper. Show us some of that turbo driving.

I'm home by then. Not my problem. I leave my parking garage at 4:05 and I'm kissing my daughter's forehead at 4:35.

 

[jbeck5]

Well, I’ll just throw out one thought or maybe a question for you. If you compare the current traffic flow out of the CTC with what it will be out of a Lebreton arena, which do you think will flow better? IE, do you think the wait times to get out of the park8ng lots at the Lebreton arena will be shorter than they are now?

IMO, they will be quite a bit longer (assuming they have parking for around 5000 cars as per my earlier post).

I think both will be fairly quick with proper strategy.

I never have any issues leaving the current dealership circle and getting on the highway and east as is. It's very quick.

I don't have issues leaving downtown after 4pm as is...

So I believe I will find a nice place to park close by in a strategic location that allows me to jog to my car and get out to Orleans pretty quickly.

 

[Stylizer1]

I'm home by then. Not my problem. I leave my parking garage at 4:05 and I'm kissing my daughter's forehead at 4:35.

you literally said you leave work at 5pm.

 

[Stylizer1]

It doesn't though. It's mostly between 4-530.

When I leave work at 5, the parking garage is 90% empty. Most have already left before 5.

 

[Micklebot]

you literally said you leave work at 5pm.

Could be wrong, but I assume he was saying on the occasions where he leaves later than usual, the parking is empty at 5.

I try to leave work by 3 to beat the traffic but occasionally I'll work till 4 and it doubles my commute time.

 

[jbeck5]

you literally said you leave work at 5pm.

No. I literally said "when I leave at 5". That can mean that I'm differentiating it from other times when I don't leave at 5.

Sometimes I work longer, but usually when I leave at 5, it's because of after work social.

Funny thing, when I leave at 5, I'm also home around 5:30, because it seems most of the traffic is done by then.

I don't seem to take any longer whether I leave around 4 or 5. It's 30 mins give or take a few mins.

I've left the parking garage at 3:55, and been home by 4:20 in my basement smoking a bowl on good days.

 

[jbeck5]

Could be wrong, but I assume he was saying on the occasions where he leaves later than usual, the parking is empty at 5.

I try to leave work by 3 to beat the traffic but occasionally I'll work till 4 and it doubles my commute time.

You're 100% right. Not sure why he assumed that me saying "when I do X" means "I always do X". Lol

 

[Stylizer1]

You're 100% right. Not sure why he assumed that me saying "when I do X" means "I always do X". Lol

Obviously it's not every time but when you are making an argument and you pick a time one would think that is the average time you leave.