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Taze em said:
Little guys have less reach which means less good at forechecking. That can be not that big of a deal if you’re little and using a Chara sized stick like Mars Zuccarello. View attachment 1037955
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Stick length is 100% player preference. Some guys use long sticks, some guys use short sticks. A guy who is 5'10 could very well use a stick longer than a guy who is 6'1. I play with guys who are shorter than me and use a longer stick, and guys who are taller than me and use a shorter stick. It's a total non-factor.
 
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Pez68 said:
Stick length is 100% player preference. Some guys use long sticks, some guys use short sticks. A guy who is 5'10 could very well use a stick longer than a guy who is 6'1. I play with guys who are shorter than me and use a longer stick, and guys who are taller than me and use a shorter stick. It's a total non-factor.
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Hockey: apparently the only sport on earth where wingspan doesn't matter. Stride length, reach, more frame for more beef. Just saying in hockey, guys can compensate with their sticks. It is not a nonfactor.
 
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Taze em said:
Hockey: apparently the only sport on earth where wingspan doesn't matter. Stride length, reach, more frame for more beef. Just saying in hockey, guys can compensate with their sticks. It is not a nonfactor.
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Forechecking is all about motor, anticipation, and positioning. Agility is huge, as well. Being able to change direction to adapt to where the puck is going. Wingspan and stick length is a f***ing non-factor in that regard. It's much more of a factor in the defensive end, but when we are talking about players that are within a few inches of each other? Completely overblown.
 
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ChiHawks10 said:
As a D, wingspan and stick length is slightly relevant. Otherwise... no, it doesn't really matter at all. :laugh:
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I'll go one further. Guys who use short sticks and who are smaller of stature often times have a huge advantage when it comes to puck control, since they are handling it so closely to their body. I think Lemieux was a huge player that used a notoriously short stick just for this reason.

Fun fact. I am 5'10. Crosby, Ovechkin, Sharp, Tage Thompson....all their sticks are almost exactly the length I use.
 
pvr said:
Why give up a first when their arse is over the barrel? This is when you offer a second round (maybe not even ours) pick. If they want more, add a fourth.
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If a 2nd gets the deal done, great. But TB can move Howard anywhere he has a high probability to play so this is not a situation where he'll only go to one team.

I'd be thrilled if in 3 years TOR'S 1st turned into a Hobey Baker winner who was ready for a shot at the NHL.
 
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Why give up a first when their arse is over the barrel? This is when you offer a second round (maybe not even ours) pick. If they want more, add a fourth.
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was messing around with copilot and it said the fair compensation for howard is pick 34 this year since its better than the compensatory pick they would receive if he left, a 2026 4th and samuel savoie or gavin hayes...so yeah obviously if they would do something around pick 34 you start with that first

Regardless, a deal for Howard makes sense for both teams, Hawks have excess draft capital and a need for forward ready prospects, TB needs to recoup some assets, and they send him out of conference
 
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Howard won the Hobey , yea that's nice , doesn't he have a reputation as a self absorbed headcase ? He's already demanding a trade, big red flag !!!!! We have no need for drama queens. Lardis is a year younger , about the same size a better skater and scored over 70 goals this year.
 
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was messing around with copilot and it said the fair compensation for howard is pick 34 this year since its better than the compensatory pick they would receive if he left, a 2026 4th and samuel savoie or gavin hayes...so yeah obviously if they would do something around pick 34 you start with that first

Regardless, a deal for Howard makes sense for both teams, Hawks have excess draft capital and a need for forward ready prospects, TB needs to recoup some assets, and they send him out of conference
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AI is stupid.
 
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Pez68 said:
I'll go one further. Guys who use short sticks and who are smaller of stature often times have a huge advantage when it comes to puck control, since they are handling it so closely to their body. I think Lemieux was a huge player that used a notoriously short stick just for this reason.

Fun fact. I am 5'10. Crosby, Ovechkin, Sharp, Tage Thompson....all their sticks are almost exactly the length I use.
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And then Pavel Datsyuk, one of the greatest puck handlers of all time, used almost a comically long stick relative to his height.

Like you said earlier, it's just a preference thing. I think that adage that a shorter stick helps you control the puck better is a common thing kids have been brought up on in hockey circles for a long time. Same thing with D use longer sticks.
 
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TheFridge said:
And then Pavel Datsyuk, one of the greatest puck handlers of all time, used almost a comically long stick relative to his height.

Like you said earlier, it's just a preference thing. I think that adage that a shorter stick helps you control the puck better is a common thing kids have been brought up on in hockey circles for a long time. Same thing with D use longer sticks.
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Exactly right.
 
The issue is not 5'10 vs. 6'1 if context is used..The cobtext:

If a team has 4 5'10 guys in top 6 =unbalnced=is not goibg to work..

If a team has 2 maybeceven 3 of top 6 forwards at justc5'10 you can makebit work if thevitgerc3 fo or 4 forwards i the top siz have more soxe and balance out the group of "core" "stars"
..

For sure 4 of 6 smurfs is goigg to result in getting pushed around 8m tgecsmalk rinks of the NHL....and Certainly in playoffs an overloaded smutf corosvup front is goibg to get pushed down and doninated physically. Everybody understans this.

So it is not size alone that is the issue but rather context of a team'sco.positional situation regardingsize.

Optimum woukd be all 6 are 6'3+ and alk skate well Nd all very skiked..but no team has that ..

Hawks situation is that 2/6 are considered core goibg forward
.tgevotger core guys for a future Xup teM have not yet even shown i the lineup...maybexwe cladding 1 more smurf of tge sMe snalk but skilled type ..bitcaddibg 2 more ubder 6'0 is asking for trouble.Amd certsi ly doom if and when they reach playoff hockey.

Cleary Hawks need 3 maybe 4 bigger more physical guys with talent to balance out the situation.

Not taking Big but slow...or Big but not much skill...no..We need more size with at least decent skill to compliment Brdard and Nazar ..
 
Do you think Nazar tKesvoff this season n. .sirp Bedard in production and then we get a who gets paid more situation brewing?

If Nazar explodes gorc35-40 goals and Bedard gets stuck under 25 we will have a huge debate as to who is the #1 star in the team...And if they cao splurge I Marner that coukd spell future cap problems if Bedard and Marner both up production by a lot.

Or ifvitvturnscoutcMarberxand Brdard ona libe fails but Marner with Nazar ona kibe succeeds...woukd we then dump Bedard?

Nazar starring at WHC..2 goalsctoday ..USA Okayer of the Gane...but a caution=both PP goLs ..Hawks akleady efficient on Ppbut problem is Gnerrating a lot more PPs.. If Hawks can raise #of Pos tgey get per game...look out.. both Bedard and Nazar if both Po1 woukd then GET a big ruse on points.

More piibts=hogher extention cao costs co ing.
 
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