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Better than the Yankees, but another former Nat goes to a division rival
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That's a lot.
The payroll threshold for teams to pay the extra competitive balance tax is $241M. Soto alone will be making over 20% of that. (Assuming simple math on the contract.)
The payroll threshold for teams to pay the extra competitive balance tax is $241M. Soto alone will be making over 20% of that. (Assuming simple math on the contract.)
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I think in 50 years, will look back and see that the four richest clubs will have won most of the world series, and competitive baseball will no longer exist. When only 3-4-5 teams can hog up the best free agents, the end result is obvious. The luxury tax is meaningless, it's really only punishes the poor teams without restricting rich ones. They need a hard salary cap if they want the game to remain viable.
Semi-off topic, but I've always felt it was misplaced anger.
Would it be better to make Cohen 30 mil richer per season and instead pay Soto 21 million per season? The reality is that MLB teams pull in staggering amounts of revenue and profit, and I would rather see that money go to the players who play the game rather than into the owner's pocket.
It's also more evidence to the fact that the MLBPA is by far the strongest player union. If the NHL had a similar union, you would see guys like McDavid making 20-25 mil per year even with the lower revenue (comparatively).
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Those numbers wouldn’t make sense. MLB (last revenue #s I saw) was 3rd, behind the NFL, and the NBA, and still almost double the NHL.
It’s not a union thing…
I think it’s hilarious that Soto took a mere $5 mil more to spurn the Yankees. Love seeing The Evil Empire suffer.
I don’t know though. Of the overall premise. I don’t think simply “being a rich team” guarantees anything.
Yankees have won in years. Mets are worse. Phillies and Cubs have won, but sparingly.
Red Sox are semi there, but? I wouldn’t call Houston “rich”?
Really, it’s the Dodgers. As they are rich…but also EXTREMELY well run.
I think a soft cap, akin to the NBA, would work. Not only does the NBA tax the crap outta you, they restrict trades and draft picks the higher you go w overall salary.
While it’s confusing, it also seems to work?
Isn't the question more about revenue per player vs total revenue. football has the largest roster to spread the wealth around, NBA has the smallest. Baseball is 2nd and hockey is 3rd in terms of roster size.
I imagine total revenue vs % of total revenue shared with the players is the right way to view the strength of the unions, but this would also include pensions, long term health plans, etc.
Just being rich doesn't assure them of winning, but being poor assures those bottom teams of being near bottom of the standings over the long haul. Look at this chart, then see if we feel like being rich isn't a massive competitive advantage. Also check out the composition of the teams value, which mostly comes from the stadium and market, while revenue sharing and brand have much smaller variances from top to bottom.
Forbes list of the most valuable MLB clubs - Wikipedia
The days of teams using Billy Ball to finagle spreadsheets to get close to the top are over, everyone uses it now. The difference in revenues between the top 5 and the bottom 5 are basically double.
I just think a hard cap like the NHL would allow the smaller market teams to remain competitive over time.
Also found this blip on a different forum, but it shows how a Cap might impact baseball.
So ultimately 9 teams are above a theoretical cap and 21 teams are below a theoretical floor, no on in the theoretical middle. The disparity will only continue to grow as we all know, the rich get richer. Will Soto being on the Mets lead to more, or fewer, ticket sales, I wonder?
Last point: Being rich cushions your mistakes, gives you room for error. Being poor means you have to be perfect. All things being equal, in terms of management talent, the rich teams will win out over the long term vs the poor teams because they can overcome their own mistakes whereas poor teams cannot.
Do you *really* think MLB will force a cap floor on cheap owners? I doubt it.Just being rich doesn't assure them of winning, but being poor assures those bottom teams of being near bottom of the standings over the long haul. Look at this chart, then see if we feel like being rich isn't a massive competitive advantage. Also check out the composition of the teams value, which mostly comes from the stadium and market, while revenue sharing and brand have much smaller variances from top to bottom.
Forbes list of the most valuable MLB clubs - Wikipedia
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The days of teams using Billy Ball to finagle spreadsheets to get close to the top are over, everyone uses it now. The difference in revenues between the top 5 and the bottom 5 are basically double.
I just think a hard cap like the NHL would allow the smaller market teams to remain competitive over time.
Also found this blip on a different forum, but it shows how a Cap might impact baseball.
So ultimately 9 teams are above a theoretical cap and 21 teams are below a theoretical floor, no on in the theoretical middle. The disparity will only continue to grow as we all know, the rich get richer. Will Soto being on the Mets lead to more, or fewer, ticket sales, I wonder?
I’m NOT against it. Get rid of the shitty cheap owners (like Angelos’ — and of course looking at the A’s, Pirates, etc). But I’d be shocked if MLB allowed that.
Hope they do, but…./
I'm not saying it will be easy to get an agreement that everyone can live with, but without a cap/floor situation, the future is pretty clear, it will become completely non competitive. Its already halfway there.
They won't act until there is a crisis though, by then it may be too late.
Awfully doom and gloom of you, good sir.
It’s been broken for a while. This isn’t new, IMO.
Won’t be easy?!?
As you pointed out, the MLBPA is by far the strongest union in all of sports. Getting any kind of cap past them is basically a complete nonstarter. It’s never going to happen.
This same concern about baseball has been around for a long time so I don’t agree with your doom and gloom about the competitiveness of the game moving forward. How the demise of so many regional sports networks is going to affect some franchises will be a temporary issue but the system will adjust.
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Quick search….total revenue splits…
- WNBA: Players receive 9.3% of the league's total revenue.
- NBA: Players receive 49–51% of basketball-related income.
- NFL: Players receive 48% of all revenue.
- NHL: Players receive 50% of revenue.
- MLB: Players receive 48% of revenue.
If I recall correctly, the NHL excludes a LOT of revenue from that '50%' figure. It's not a true 50% of all revenue.
It's simple math. MLB has more players (26 per roster) than the NHL (23) and their players make significantly more (50 mil per season is nearly 4x the highest paid player) despite their total revenue only being about double the NHLs. The math doesn't add up otherwise.
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Who knows what kind of funny math is done on any of these…..but those are the public numbers unless you have sport by sport breakdown/comparison from a reliable source to share.
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The Atlanta Braves Holding Company is a publicly traded entity, so their financial filings can be enlightening and trusted. Obviously like any big entity they can shift assets and liabilities around to an extent to show what they need to show, but the underlying numbers are pretty close to guaranteed accurate.
From January 2024 through September 2024 they earned $561.2 Million in baseball revenue with an additional $49.4 Million in revenue from the mixed-use development they own[1]. Their baseball operating costs for the time period were $476.2 Million, of which about $294 Million was to pay their players and required player benefits[2].
[1] Atlanta Braves Holdings Reports Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results
[2] Atlanta Braves 2024 Financial Summary
From January 2024 through September 2024 they earned $561.2 Million in baseball revenue with an additional $49.4 Million in revenue from the mixed-use development they own[1]. Their baseball operating costs for the time period were $476.2 Million, of which about $294 Million was to pay their players and required player benefits[2].
[1] Atlanta Braves Holdings Reports Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results
[2] Atlanta Braves 2024 Financial Summary
Of course they all are the same (sorry, the 4 main Pro Sports Leagues), as they all know this about each other.
Fat chance one league would be at 35% and the rest at 49%.
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MLB draft lottery is tonight at 5:30. Nats have the 4th best odds to land the #1 overall pick, 10.2%.
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As of right now, when most of these players haven't even started their seasons yet, MLB has Ethan Holliday - brother of Jackson - as the #1 draft prospect.
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As of right now, when most of these players haven't even started their seasons yet, MLB has Ethan Holliday - brother of Jackson - as the #1 draft prospect.
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Major League Baseball’s Draft Lottery will take place at the Winter Meetings in Dallas on Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. ET. It’s time to get to know who the 16 teams eligible for the lottery are hoping to get a chance to select. MLB Pipeline’s new 2025 Top 100 Draft Prospects
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Nats won the draft lottery, will have the first overall pick in the 2025 draft.
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