Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

[herzausstein]

It's temporary. When they did the software update, it messed with the styling. It looks like it should be fixed in a couple of days.

A couple days of this eyesore

 

[glenngineer]

I would be completely fine with moving on from Josi because he's 34 years old and declining (not falling off a cliff, but still declining as just about any player would at 34). If we're honest with ourselves, this team is not going to contend for a Cup in the next 3-5 years (his useful lifespan more than likely), so he's just a depreciating asset at this point.

Having said that, I think blaming the team's issues on him is ridiculous. He's a fantastic player, just short of elite IMO (mostly because of a little inconsistency, though his defense is usually better than advertised). The team has been declining since the Cup final year because of roster construction and age-related factors. We've been down this road of blaming mediocre play on the "country club" or whatever, and jettisoning guys for serial winners didn't exactly fix anything. The team needs fresh talent, not a culture overhaul.

I would add, this is his worst season in recent memory as it is ours. I think as Josi goes, so does the team. That isn't a leadership issue, it's a production issue. This is not slamming Josi at all. I think there is too much weight on him to carry the team night in and night out and without a loaded d-corp as we've grown accustomed to, it's him on the back end having to do all the heavy lifting.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I would add, this is his worst season in recent memory as it is ours. I think as Josi goes, so does the team. That isn't a leadership issue, it's a production issue. This is not slamming Josi at all. I think there is too much weight on him to carry the team night in and night out and without a loaded d-corp as we've grown accustomed to, it's him on the back end having to do all the heavy lifting.

Why is Josi needing to carry the team? We have two new 40 goal scorers, Forsberg, an O'Reilly and Nyquist coming off very productive seasons, a Novak and Evangelista coming off decent full seasons.

His efforts to carry the team, which he can't accomplish anyway, only make the team worse. It's no surprise that him being out and the team reigning it in a bit and playing a bit more within their means was one of our better stretches on the season.

His effort to carry the team also completely kills our PP as the puck sits on his stick far too long awaiting a trip to the opposing shin pads rather than bring quickly cycled to enable another scorer.

We need our highly skilled defenseman to embrace his role on both sides of the ice and use his talents to move the puck to facilitate everyone's offense, and less occasionally shoot, more than to carry the rest of the squad.

 

[glenngineer]

Why is Josi needing to carry the team? We have two new 40 goal scorers, Forsberg, an O'Reilly and Nyquist coming off very productive seasons, a Novak and Evangelista coming off decent full seasons.

His efforts to carry the team, which he can't accomplish anyway, only make the team worse. It's no surprise that him being out and the team reigning it in a bit and playing a bit more within their means was one of our better stretches on the season.

His effort to carry the team also completely kills our PP as the puck sits on his stick far too long awaiting a trip to the opposing shin pads rather than bring quickly cycled to enable another scorer.

We need our highly skilled defenseman to embrace his role on both sides of the ice and use his talents to move the puck to facilitate everyone's offense, and less occasionally shoot, more than to carry the rest of the squad.

It's funny, when the team has been winning in recent years, no one every complained about what he brought to the team. Now that the team is losing, he's a scapegoat and should alter his game that has helped the team to its previous success?

You can't have it both ways.

I get what you're saying about him not having to carry the team but everyone you mentioned is having an off year yet I hear no one complaining about ROR looking a step slower than last year, Gus not being able to hit the net from 3 feet away, Fil not potting a goal for his longest stretch in his career, Stamkos and March being at what, 40 point paces this year and Skjei not providing anything from supposedly our second best defenseman. Not to mention all the kids not taking the next step forward and our fourth line producing at less than an optimal level even for a fourth line.

So what's the problem? Did every single player on this roster regress? Doubtful. My guess is it's still the same issue we've talked about all year and it's the coaching and system. Until that changes, I don't see the results changing but to pin it on a guy who's been one of the best defensemen in the league is laughable.

 

[nine_inch_fang]

It's funny, when the team has been winning in recent years, no one every complained about what he brought to the team. Now that the team is losing, he's a scapegoat and should alter his game that has helped the team to its previous success?

You can't have it both ways.

I get what you're saying about him not having to carry the team but everyone you mentioned is having an off year yet I hear no one complaining about ROR looking a step slower than last year, Gus not being able to hit the net from 3 feet away, Fil not potting a goal for his longest stretch in his career, Stamkos and March being at what, 40 point paces this year and Skjei not providing anything from supposedly our second best defenseman. Not to mention all the kids not taking the next step forward and our fourth line producing at less than an optimal level even for a fourth line.

So what's the problem? Did every single player on this roster regress? Doubtful. My guess is it's still the same issue we've talked about all year and it's the coaching and system. Until that changes, I don't see the results changing but to pin it on a guy who's been one of the best defensemen in the league is laughable.

That's some bullshit. I've complained about him for years.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

That's some bullshit. I've complained about him for years.

Yeah, I've wanted a "C" switch, regardless of how pointless it is, and (probably unfairly) blamed him for the CC for a few seasons now--playing a game that other guys get benched or scratched for doing never sat well, even if it's overlookable when it works.

 

[Armourboy]

It's funny, when the team has been winning in recent years, no one every complained about what he brought to the team. Now that the team is losing, he's a scapegoat and should alter his game that has helped the team to its previous success?

You can't have it both ways.

I get what you're saying about him not having to carry the team but everyone you mentioned is having an off year yet I hear no one complaining about ROR looking a step slower than last year, Gus not being able to hit the net from 3 feet away, Fil not potting a goal for his longest stretch in his career, Stamkos and March being at what, 40 point paces this year and Skjei not providing anything from supposedly our second best defenseman. Not to mention all the kids not taking the next step forward and our fourth line producing at less than an optimal level even for a fourth line.

So what's the problem? Did every single player on this roster regress? Doubtful. My guess is it's still the same issue we've talked about all year and it's the coaching and system. Until that changes, I don't see the results changing but to pin it on a guy who's been one of the best defensemen in the league is laughable.

I've complained about Josi's play for years, and I said from day one when it was given to him that he shouldn't have been captain.

Him shooting into legs, holding the puck on the PP and his weak ass clearing attempts have been posted numerous times over the years by me and others.

There have definitely been complaints about Nyquist, and even Sissons has caught some heat. More than one time people have mentioned ROR being off.

Forsberg you may have a point, but at least he has been picking up assists in that drought