Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

herzausstein

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38 games into last season and we had 43 points and were 14th in the league

This season we have 29 points and are 30th (though likely 31st when games in hand are played.) Also now riding a 3 game losing streak. Looking at the schedule, it wouldnt shock me if that reaches an 8 game losing streak.
 

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38 games into last season and we had 43 points and were 14th in the league

This season we have 29 points and are 30th (though likely 31st when games in hand are played.) Also now riding a 3 game losing streak. Looking at the schedule, it wouldnt shock me if that reaches an 8 game losing streak.
As I said when a couple were still talking about the playoffs, what happens immediately after the break will tell you. It's over, any sliver of hope for that is now gone.
 

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As I said when a couple were still talking about the playoffs, what happens immediately after the break will tell you. It's over, any sliver of hope for that is now gone.
All it takes is a nine game win streak to reach .500 hockey at the 47 game point .... then the world is Bruno's oyster.

Reaching 95 points and a shot at a wildcard only takes 66 points in the remaining 44 games. 33-11-0 is all it takes. Simple.



The real struggle is avoiding dead last in the league. Three points ahead of Chicago right now.
 

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Two major problems I saw last night that I finally wrapped my head around.

The easy one - while the top line is heavily skilled, these guys are terrible at handling passes. I can't tell you how many times passes were right on the stick and they rolled right off, killing any potential of an offensive play, whether it be thru the neutral zone or offensive zone.

The bigger problem is the defense seemingly jump into every play. It's an exaggeration the way I've written it but one play had a center with the puck leading a rush and the wingers were both defensemen. I've also seen how many times a defenseman will jump into the play leaving a forward at the point to cover.

The problem with this is, your forwards are usually your better offensive player and should be able to create down low with the defense holding the points. Instead, we have guys who aren't very good offensively trying to make a play with a guy at the point who's not skilled enough to hold it very often. Outside of Josi, no one should be jumping into the play like that. On occasion when the opportunity presents itself, sure, I get it. A clear 2 on 1, go for it. Not with a 3 on 3 or 2 on 2 or even a 4 on 4. If that's happening, dump the puck in, go battle for it, have the defense at the point and take your chances.

I don't see other teams sending defensemen deep very often unless the chance is there. And outside of a few elite offensive defenseman like Hughes and Makar and a few others, guys are holding the blueline and letting the forwards do the work. We also don't have the players to do this anyway outside of Josi so why is this being forced. I watch Schenn try and come up the ice with the puck and I'm like, stop trying to make a play, you're out there to play D and your offensive instincts are worse than Smith's. Stay in your lane.
 

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Two major problems I saw last night that I finally wrapped my head around.

The easy one - while the top line is heavily skilled, these guys are terrible at handling passes. I can't tell you how many times passes were right on the stick and they rolled right off, killing any potential of an offensive play, whether it be thru the neutral zone or offensive zone.

The bigger problem is the defense seemingly jump into every play. It's an exaggeration the way I've written it but one play had a center with the puck leading a rush and the wingers were both defensemen. I've also seen how many times a defenseman will jump into the play leaving a forward at the point to cover.

The problem with this is, your forwards are usually your better offensive player and should be able to create down low with the defense holding the points. Instead, we have guys who aren't very good offensively trying to make a play with a guy at the point who's not skilled enough to hold it very often. Outside of Josi, no one should be jumping into the play like that. On occasion when the opportunity presents itself, sure, I get it. A clear 2 on 1, go for it. Not with a 3 on 3 or 2 on 2 or even a 4 on 4. If that's happening, dump the puck in, go battle for it, have the defense at the point and take your chances.

I don't see other teams sending defensemen deep very often unless the chance is there. And outside of a few elite offensive defenseman like Hughes and Makar and a few others, guys are holding the blueline and letting the forwards do the work. We also don't have the players to do this anyway outside of Josi so why is this being forced. I watch Schenn try and come up the ice with the puck and I'm like, stop trying to make a play, you're out there to play D and your offensive instincts are worse than Smith's. Stay in your lane.
I've missed a few games. Are we still whipping the puck quickly to nobody / open ice / invisible skaters routinely? It was happening all the time, so it seemed like some sort of dubious tactic that Bruno was trying to use. (It just was a way to generate more turnovers since we're not really the fastest skating team in the world.)
 
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glenngineer

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I've missed a few games. Are we still whipping the puck quickly to nobody / open ice / invisible skaters routinely? It was happening all the time, so it seemed like some sort of dubious tactic that Bruno was trying to use. (It just was a way to generate more turnovers since we're not really the fastest skating team in the world.)
With the first line pucks are hitting sticks perfectly until it rolls off the stick. It’s hard to watch skilled players have no ability to accept a pass regularly.

The defense jumping into the play is just bad design and doesn’t lead to sustained pressure.
 
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Two major problems I saw last night that I finally wrapped my head around.

The easy one - while the top line is heavily skilled, these guys are terrible at handling passes. I can't tell you how many times passes were right on the stick and they rolled right off, killing any potential of an offensive play, whether it be thru the neutral zone or offensive zone.

The bigger problem is the defense seemingly jump into every play. It's an exaggeration the way I've written it but one play had a center with the puck leading a rush and the wingers were both defensemen. I've also seen how many times a defenseman will jump into the play leaving a forward at the point to cover.

The problem with this is, your forwards are usually your better offensive player and should be able to create down low with the defense holding the points. Instead, we have guys who aren't very good offensively trying to make a play with a guy at the point who's not skilled enough to hold it very often. Outside of Josi, no one should be jumping into the play like that. On occasion when the opportunity presents itself, sure, I get it. A clear 2 on 1, go for it. Not with a 3 on 3 or 2 on 2 or even a 4 on 4. If that's happening, dump the puck in, go battle for it, have the defense at the point and take your chances.

I don't see other teams sending defensemen deep very often unless the chance is there. And outside of a few elite offensive defenseman like Hughes and Makar and a few others, guys are holding the blueline and letting the forwards do the work. We also don't have the players to do this anyway outside of Josi so why is this being forced. I watch Schenn try and come up the ice with the puck and I'm like, stop trying to make a play, you're out there to play D and your offensive instincts are worse than Smith's. Stay in your lane.
I saw a play two or three games ago where both Lauzon and Schenn were below the circles in the O-Zone. There is absolutely no circumstance in which that should be acceptable with those two on the ice.
 

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I saw a play two or three games ago where both Lauzon and Schenn were below the circles in the O-Zone. There is absolutely no circumstance in which that should be acceptable with those two on the ice.
Been barking about it all season. Its obvious its the system because every single Dman is doing the exact same thing.

It feels like Brunette has created a new system that on paper and on a computer might work, but it leaves out a couple of factors that actually keeps it from working.

1. Every Dman on your team is not Roman Josi or Calle Makar. Designing a system that assumes Luke Schenn is the same a Roman Josi is a huge mistake.

2. It assumes every Dman has the same hockey IQ. Instead of tailoring the style of play to the Dman, Brunette wants every Dman to make the exact same decision with the exact same situation. Obviously this is just flat ignorant.

3. It also assumes every forward has the same defensive skill level and tendencies to cover for the Dmen that are activating in this system.

There are actually a couple of more as an overall system but those are the main ones that cover the Dmen, and because of those it causes the Defensive side of the team to be freaking horrible, giving up lots of break aways and odd man rushes as well as players just generally being out of position.

It would basically be like trying to drive up I-24 and I-65 when the roads randomly merge at places. It would be a nightmare.
 

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It’s funny, we haven’t really seen this stye of play out of him at the NHL level. Then last night gets into a fight and the slew foot. My take, he was asked to play a certain way, did so, moved up to the second line, appeared to be doing well, then gets moved back down to the fourth line after a game of Vinnie being called up.

He’s a kid with a temper and while he’s done everything asked of him, he let the beast come out last night and I honestly don’t blame him. It wasn’t the right response but I can understand the why behind it. No one on the third line got bumped down.
 

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Rewatching it, it doesn’t look intentional in my opinion. It looks more like a very aggressive play with a lack of situational awareness.
Whatever the punishment is, it is deserved because it was a slew foot by the letter of the law. He has played a relatively clean season thus far with minimal stupid plays. I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how he has handled himself on the ice so far this season.
I hope that he learns from this situation and is more aware of the situation he is in when trying to make aggressive checks like that. I also hope the Spurgeon isn’t injured badly and can make a quick recovery and return to the game.
 

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Rewatching it, it doesn’t look intentional in my opinion. It looks more like a very aggressive play with a lack of situational awareness.
Whatever the punishment is, it is deserved because it was a slew foot by the letter of the law. He has played a relatively clean season thus far with minimal stupid plays. I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how he has handled himself on the ice so far this season.
I hope that he learns from this situation and is more aware of the situation he is in when trying to make aggressive checks like that. I also hope the Spurgeon isn’t injured badly and can make a quick recovery and return to the game.
Yeah I still haven't watched it, but based on what Hal was saying everything about just looked like a guy that was being very aggressive and it just ended up being basically what amounts to a slewfoot. It wasn't a traditional one but more of the play just more or less resulted in one.
 

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Yeah I still haven't watched it, but based on what Hal was saying everything about just looked like a guy that was being very aggressive and it just ended up being basically what amounts to a slewfoot. It wasn't a traditional one but more of the play just more or less resulted in one.
Hal probably had the better take as Mason kept saying it wasn’t a slew foot. I’m like do you not see his skate behind JS’s skate and his skate wiped JS out?
 

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Hal probably had the better take as Mason kept saying it wasn’t a slew foot. I’m like do you not see his skate behind JS’s skate and his skate wiped JS out?
Well in Mason's defense Hal even said he didn't really think it was a slewfoot, not in the sense of how they are called. He saw it more as an aggressive play that more or less resulted in contact that looks like the outcome of a slewfoot. Even Hal didn't really like calling it a slewfoot.

It's kind of like kneeing sometimes. The result of the play is most of the time a kneeing call but that is different than the guy intentional throwing his leg out trying to do it.
 
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herzausstein

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What kills me is the completely unhinged response in the main boards acting like L'Heureux is a monster. This is his first incident in the NHL and has actually been one of the least likely on the team to have a penalty called on him. Only one of his AHL suspensions was for something serious and most of his misconducts were because he runs his mouth.

I get he has a reputation but dang the reactions callin for his head when he has actually worked to clean up his game after coming out of the Q is overkill
 
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Armourboy

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What kills me is the completely unhinged response in the main boards acting like L'Heureux is a monster. This is his first incident in the NHL and has actually been one of the least likely on the team to have a penalty called on him. Only one of his AHL suspensions was for something serious and most of his misconducts were because he runs his mouth.

I get he has a reputation but dang the reactions callin for his head when he has actually worked to clean up his game after coming out of the Q is overkill
It's why I've avoided the main boards. People are running off of his reputation from Juniors and then looking at the minutes in the AHL. They don't know that since Juniors almost all of his issues have been due to jaw with the Refs and that this is his first major incident in the NHL.

If he was named McDavid the entire thread would be people defending him left and right.
 

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Looked like a dirty play to me
I mean lots of plays look dirty, that doesn't mean they are. Intent is generally the deference between being dirty and just being a poor decision. I think in his case he was just being overly aggressive, it ends up looking dirty and the outcome was bad.

The main reason I think it was aggressiveness was as someone else mentioned, he got busted down from the 2nd line to the 4th and he was out there trying to prove he should be on the 2nd. He made a poor decision, and while I don't trust Mason's take on it, I do take Hal's take on it. Hal doesn't really care to call a spade a spade most of the time.

Hal kept looking at it and basically kept saying it was a slewfoot that wasn't a slewfoot, basically meaning it looked like one, the outcome is the same, but was more bad positioning rather than something setup like you end up seeing with most slewfoots.
 

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I mean lots of plays look dirty, that doesn't mean they are. Intent is generally the deference between being dirty and just being a poor decision. I think in his case he was just being overly aggressive, it ends up looking dirty and the outcome was bad.

The main reason I think it was aggressiveness was as someone else mentioned, he got busted down from the 2nd line to the 4th and he was out there trying to prove he should be on the 2nd. He made a poor decision, and while I don't trust Mason's take on it, I do take Hal's take on it. Hal doesn't really care to call a spade a spade most of the time.

Hal kept looking at it and basically kept saying it was a slewfoot that wasn't a slewfoot, basically meaning it looked like one, the outcome is the same, but was more bad positioning rather than something setup like you end up seeing with most slewfoots.
And here’s the thing, both he and Spurgeon were entangled going pretty hard towards the boards. It could have easily been the other way around with ZLH hitting the boards. It was the way they were positioned and they were both trying to stop and the timing of the skates hitting was just perfect for an accident.
 

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