Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

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They haven't been picking drastically different from us in terms of position.... but if you can land Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven, Mavrik Bourque, Thomas Harley, and Lian Bischel... vs. us blowing Tomasino, trading Askarov, still waiting on Svechkov and Kemell... I mean, they are killing us out of the gate. Hopefully time will tell at least a bit of an improvement on our side... but we don't have any NHLers to show, and they have 5. :facepalm:
Add Robertson to that list as a second rounder and they're smoking everyone. I'm not a huge "around the league" kind of person and I only know their success because we're in the same division but is anyone drafting and developing like them?

Drafting is the single reason they haven't had to rebuild or suffer through long stretches of being horrible. They stayed relevant over the last ten years and are only looking at continuing to get better.
 
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They haven't been picking drastically different from us in terms of position.... but if you can land Wyatt Johnston, Logan Stankoven, Mavrik Bourque, Thomas Harley, and Lian Bischel... vs. us blowing Tomasino, trading Askarov, still waiting on Svechkov and Kemell... I mean, they are killing us out of the gate. Hopefully time will tell at least a bit of an improvement on our side... but we don't have any NHLers to show, and they have 5. :facepalm:
It's possible that all 4 of the picks you listed for the Preds become regular NHL players. Tomasino is emerging now that he's getting a consistent chance, and Askarov is getting a few starts in SJ.

It's hard to separate the nature of the talent from the nurture through the franchise's development. Dallas and Nashville very clearly have much different approaches on the development end. Dallas has a stepwise development process that works their picks up the ladder and plugs them into roles in the lineup where they can be successful. The kid gets veteran support all along the way to teach him the game, how to be a pro, all the off-ice tricks. Their program works. In Nashville, we let our guys cook and cook and cook in Milwaukee. They play with other young guys against inferior competition. If they are brought up, they only play regular minutes if there are injuries. And if they don't light the lamp like a Christmas tree on demo mode, they get minimal minutes, the pressbox, and then cut outright.

The other component to this is the front office having a roadmap for the roster overall. When Dallas drafts a kid, they seem to target a guy that fits their system and for whom there will be a plan on where he will fit into the lineup potentially. Contrasted to us, we are apparently drafting guys based solely on perceived relative value in the draft. The best player available. So we end up with an Askarov pick and then figure out later that we really like Saros and are going to extend him for a million years. So whatever the roadmap might have been, it goes up in smoke. We do this with other guys as well. Instead of continuing their progression, we bring in a handful of tweeners and journeyman in the offseason and those guys block the paths to keep the pipeline moving. So again, we're left overcooking a guy until his ELC and 1st contract are more or less over, and we have no idea if the guy can even play. It's been working out well for other teams when they pick up our draft picks for next to nothing.
 
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glenngineer

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Add Robertson to that list as a second rounder and they're smoking everyone. I'm not a huge "around the league" kind of person and I only know their success because we're in the same division but is anyone drafting and developing like them?

Drafting is the single reason they haven't had to rebuild or suffer through long stretches of being horrible. They stayed relevant over the last ten years and are only looking at continuing to get better.
Robertson picked a couple picks after Tolvanen
 

glenngineer

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So once Lauzon, Carrier, and Josi slot back in and the defense goes back to being a clown show does Trotz admit that we need an overhaul there? Wilsby and Blankenburg have outplayed both Lauzon and Carrier.

Skjei is actually playing decent defense and looks like Blankenburg is a good match for him. Schenn has actually been ok with MDG which i think makes sense. They have complimentary play styles. Stastney would work well there too. Wilsby has been solid everywhere tried.
While I don’t disagree the kids have been good, I’m not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. I’ll remind everyone of a cautionary tale called Jonathan Blum. I’d like more of a sample size before we go yeah, let’s move on from certain guys.

I do think Wilsby is the pick of the litter. If Stastney can stay healthy he’s another one I’d like to see long term.

I’d also like to see how these kids do in the playoffs. Unfortunately, that’ll have to wait until next year.
 

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It's possible that all 4 of the picks you listed for the Preds become regular NHL players. Tomasino is emerging now that he's getting a consistent chance, and Askarov is getting a few starts in SJ.

It's hard to separate the nature of the talent from the nurture through the franchise's development. Dallas and Nashville very clearly have much different approaches on the development end. Dallas has a stepwise development process that works their picks up the ladder and plugs them into roles in the lineup where they can be successful. The kid gets veteran support all along the way to teach him the game, how to be a pro, all the off-ice tricks. Their program works. In Nashville, we let our guys cook and cook and cook in Milwaukee. They play with other young guys against inferior competition. If they are brought up, they only play regular minutes if there are injuries. And if they don't light the lamp like a Christmas tree on demo mode, they get minimal minutes, the pressbox, and then cut outright.

The other component to this is the front office having a roadmap for the roster overall. When Dallas drafts a kid, they seem to target a guy that fits their system and for whom there will be a plan on where he will fit into the lineup potentially. Contrasted to us, we are apparently drafting guys based solely on perceived relative value in the draft. The best player available. So we end up with an Askarov pick and then figure out later that we really like Saros and are going to extend him for a million years. So whatever the roadmap might have been, it goes up in smoke. We do this with other guys as well. Instead of continuing their progression, we bring in a handful of tweeners and journeyman in the offseason and those guys block the paths to keep the pipeline moving. So again, we're left overcooking a guy until his ELC and 1st contract are more or less over, and we have no idea if the guy can even play. It's been working out well for other teams when they pick up our draft picks for next to nothing.
I'd keep in mind too though that some of that is muddied by the fact that Poile retired and Trotz came in.

I still say had Poile still been the GM Saros would have never been given that contract because Askarov was his long term plan. No doubt in my mind Poile made that pick for a reason, and that reason wasn't to have Saros starting until he was 38.

I honestly think Poile generally did draft with a purpose, it just ended up not being great a chunk of the time.
 

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While I don’t disagree the kids have been good, I’m not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. I’ll remind everyone of a cautionary tale called Jonathan Blum. I’d like more of a sample size before we go yeah, let’s move on from certain guys.

I do think Wilsby is the pick of the litter. If Stastney can stay healthy he’s another one I’d like to see long term.

I’d also like to see how these kids do in the playoffs. Unfortunately, that’ll have to wait until next year.
I personally wasnt thrilled with Carrier's extension and think now is the time to maximize Lauzon's trade value and i want nothing to do with extending him after next season.

Shouldve kept fabbro and let carrier walk. Sure the kids could revert to a tire fire but is that really any different from what the vets gave us before being injured?
 

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