Nashville Predators Talk - 2024/2025 Season

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Watching Detroit go on their heater after firing their coach only adds some fuel to this fire for me.

We constantly look unprepared, start the 4th line and have the mental fortitude of my kindergarten bully. All of this is directly related to coaching.

Simply put: our team does not look ready to compete night in and night out. Our attention to details like bench minors is lacking and the team continues to let Luke Schenn try to drive offensive play.

Meanwhile, other teams have fired their coaches and seen more success.
This. I am not seeing a playoff caliber effort out of this team. Ever. I also think maybe we just embrace where we are and the team uses pro pride or whatever to be fun to watch. I feel if Bruno was capable of getting something out of this team it would have shown by now. Sad.
 
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Do we even want that Detroit-like heater at this point?

Maybe we're coming full circle to lining back up with Trotz's approach... maybe we should start a "Don't Fire Bruno!" campaign. :sarcasm:

(Yet.)
I don’t want a heater at this point. Embrace the suck, don’t go on a heater and get the 12th pick. In the past the excuse for at least trying to go on a heater would be that it’s good for youth development. But what youth are we even developing at this point?
 
This. I am not seeing a playoff caliber effort out of this team. Ever. I also think maybe we just embrace where we are and the team uses pro pride or whatever to be fun to watch. I feel if Bruno was capable of getting something out of this team it would have shown by now. Sad.
His overall record with Nashville is 60-52-12. At this point, i think he is lucky to have a winning record. It took an absurd hot streak which will not be replicated in order to have what amounts to getting 53% of the available points over his tenure.
 
On the goalie situation: the unforced error was in signing him to an extension too soon. Trotz simply did not have to sign him this past offseason. He was going to be here this season if we wanted him. That signing resulted in chaos. Lankinen tapped out. Askarov whined his way out. Barry overpaid a scrub backup. Result: dumpster fire.

The unknowns are what Saros would have actually returned if traded. Without that contract extension, we'd have the flexibility to trade him today for a box of doughnuts and a pick 12 years from now, if that's all Barry could get. The second unknown was whether Lankinen could step up as a #1 goalie. Saros kept him sitting on the bench quite a bit. The third unknown is whether Askarov could step up and be a solid NHL backup. We didn't know anything at that time.

Of course, now we have more information, but you can't use that to frame the past. Lankinen has been pretty good in Vancouver. Decent enough that he could likely be part of a #1 and #1A rotation at least for a team pushing for a WC spot. Askarov probably still isn't really ready, I mean San Jose is awful and not trying to make the playoffs. But he seems to be farther along than maybe we thought.

In addition to the lack of perfect forecasting, it's become obvious our own talent evaluation across the board is suspect at best. We could even call it awful. So it isn't surprising we misevaluated the goalie situation.

Nor is it really surprising it was mishandled from a team asset standpoint. :(
I don't see any way of trading Saros now with his new contract. IDC what the cap is, it is the length of the contract that is the boat anchor! Never should have been done! GMBT has made some bonehead decisions so far and keeping his HC is one of them. Jettisoning young players for basically nothing is another. Hopefully he is learning OTJ of what not to do from here on out. Or he doubles down and says it is his team and he will do what he wants the way he wants to. Screw everyone else.
 
We really should have pursued Colorado before they got Blackwood. For what they immediately signed him to, they were clearly willing to overpay term/money at the goalie position. I guess they felt desperate enough about their goaltending they might even have taken Saros' additional scary term? Saros and Parssinen for Georgiev would have been fine by me.

I'm not sure there is any other contender atm that is similarly desperate for goaltending? If there was, maybe Edmonton? Would happily trade Saros for Skinner at this point also, but they are always Cap-strapped, and have big new contracts coming in for Draisatl and Bouchard, so next year's salary hit probably makes it impossible for them? They could probably get by for this year given Saros is still at $5M and they have LTIR and pro-rating space to help them out.
 
Seems like @Bringer of Jollity is out there.
Hmm, I'd like to try that but it's been a while since I've managed to catch a Ducks or Kings game live (I usually opt for the AHL Reign, that are way cheaper and like 10 minutes away). @bdub24 is out this way as well.

Any Preds fans on here out west? Specifically Anaheim area. May be going to watch the game on the 25th out there against the Ducks.
There may still be some areas out here not smoldering when you make the trip. :help:
 
Yeah - up in Ventura county so dont get down to ANH or LAK too often. Tomorrow my area is in the extreme danger warning we saw right before the Palisades fire broke out. Obviously hoping for a dramatically different outcome than those folks
Ugh, praying for no new ones to flare up that way. I grew up in Ventura (and my grandparents all lived there til they passed). Super miss it and wish we could live back up that way instead of the 909. Sigh...
 
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ESPN (NHL half-way point grades):
Look at that preseason prediction :laugh:

F grades

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Nashville Predators

Record: 13-22-7
Preseason over/under: 98.5
Current points pace: 64.4

Class president: Juuse Saros. All but nine of the games the Predators have played this season have had Saros in net. That's how consistent he has been in a season that has been anything but for the Predators. If not for Connor Hellebuyck. Saros would be leading the NHL in shots faced, saves, minutes and shutouts.

In danger of failing: Tommy Novak. Finishing with consecutive 40-point seasons showed Novak could operate as a top-six option for the Predators. Adding Jonathan Marchessault and Steven Stamkos in the offseason came with the premise that Novak could operate on a line with two veterans and see his production increase in the process. But Novak has struggled for offensive consistency. He went pointless in November and is projected to finish with 10 goals and 18 points.


Grade: F (first-quarter grade: D). A slow start became even slower and what was once thought to be a playoff team now looks like one destined for the draft lottery. Several questions have been raised with arguably the most looming being: How much of an active seller will the Preds be ahead of the trade deadline if they go that route? Especially when they could be among the strongest contenders to win the lottery and earn the No. 1 pick.
 
ESPN (NHL half-way point grades):
Look at that preseason prediction :laugh:

F grades

i

Nashville Predators

Record: 13-22-7
Preseason over/under: 98.5
Current points pace: 64.4

Class president: Juuse Saros. All but nine of the games the Predators have played this season have had Saros in net. That's how consistent he has been in a season that has been anything but for the Predators. If not for Connor Hellebuyck. Saros would be leading the NHL in shots faced, saves, minutes and shutouts.

In danger of failing: Tommy Novak. Finishing with consecutive 40-point seasons showed Novak could operate as a top-six option for the Predators. Adding Jonathan Marchessault and Steven Stamkos in the offseason came with the premise that Novak could operate on a line with two veterans and see his production increase in the process. But Novak has struggled for offensive consistency. He went pointless in November and is projected to finish with 10 goals and 18 points.


Grade: F (first-quarter grade: D). A slow start became even slower and what was once thought to be a playoff team now looks like one destined for the draft lottery. Several questions have been raised with arguably the most looming being: How much of an active seller will the Preds be ahead of the trade deadline if they go that route? Especially when they could be among the strongest contenders to win the lottery and earn the No. 1 pick.
No jinx. :crossfing
 
Hoping for a consolation prize of 1st overall pick. Would help with the pain this season has been. Also would help to trade some country club members, expiring contracts, and tweeners. Bruno can go in the offseason
As long as we end up with Hagens or Misa (assuming their projections hold), I'm all aboard the tank train. I think it's our only chance to get a true #1C in the near term, even if they aren't brought to the NHL straight away.
 
As long as we end up with Hagens or Misa (assuming their projections hold), I'm all aboard the tank train. I think it's our only chance to get a true #1C in the near term, even if they aren't brought to the NHL straight away.
I'm not sure it's going to be "our only chance".... the near term future does not look particularly bright for the next few years with our aging core.

Nevertheless, the lottery is a lottery, and you can't be sure to get a true #1C even by finishing dead last 2 or 3 times in a row. So any time we get this close... I think we have to look at it as a "rare opportunity" that we absolutely should make the most of.

I don't think you should ever enter a season or a stretch of seasons with the intention of tanking. But if after half a season you end up in the basement anyway, and are absolutely guaranteed to be out of the playoffs already, then you really owe it to the franchise to follow through on it. Finishing with the 5th or 7th or 10th pick just takes the silver lining away from your failure. Trotz can actually save more face for himself by getting that #1C prospect than by winning a handful of extra games down the stretch and picking 7th. I don't think he realizes that. :help:
 
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Mild are mad. Saturday might be fun:

Wild insider: Players say they’ll make L’Heureux pay if NHL won’t​


After captain Jared Spurgeon was injured on a slew foot by Nashville Predatorsrookie Zach L’Heureux on Dec. 31, there was plenty of public and private outrage from his Minnesota Wild teammates as well as members of the team’s front office.

The Wild didn’t like seeing Spurgeon, a top defenseman, knocked out of their lineup for a number of weeks by a reckless play from a rookie who had previously been suspended nine times in juniors and twice in the AHL. The fact that L’Heureux got a match penalty and three-game suspension (forfeiting $13,489.59 in salary) seemed awfully light to the Wild, although the NHL can’t take his history in other leagues into account.

President of hockey operations and general manager Bill Guerin called it a “dirty play by a dirty player” on his weekly WCCO radio appearance.

“Slew-footing in a lot of sports is a s—-y play,” assistant captain Marcus Folignotold The Athletic. “I don’t know, maybe in UFC you could do it. When a guy crosses the line in that sense, something has to be taken in measures. Yeah, he got suspended, but we lost (Spurgeon). It’s a dirty play. It should be more games.

“He shouldn’t be able to just walk out of Xcel that night because (Spurgeon) wasn’t able to.”

Yakov Trenin tried to engage L’Heureux in a fight right after the hit, but the rookie declined. Now the Wild have another game against the Predators on the horizon, in Nashville on Saturday.

“When you see a guy cheapshotted, that stuff needs to be answered for,” Foligno said. “The L’Heureux thing is blatant, trying to hurt a guy. We got into the boards so many times with D-men. You just guide them in. It’s not the ’80s or ’90s where you can get away with anything on the forecheck.

“They’ve got a lot of guys on Nashville that understand the code, and the young kid doesn’t understand. It’s frustrating. There will be a price to pay for that game. I’m sure he’ll have to answer to someone.”

Why wasn’t there a larger penalty from the league for the play? Suspensions are determined by precedent and repeat-offender status, and fines by the CBA, and some former players who spoke to The Athletic about the system said it’s inadequate for policing the game.

Former Wild forward Mike Rupp, now an NHL Network analyst, said he heard it a million times in the locker room during his career after a teammate had to pay a fine: “Best money I’ve ever spent.” Rupp and former enforcer Andre Roy both said the penalties don’t hit the players enough where it hurts: their pocketbook.

“I don’t think there’s any deterrent in place,” said Rupp, who coincidentally never played another game after receiving a four-game suspension for elbowing T.J. Oshie in the second-to-last game of the 2013-14 regular season for the Wild. “The only time there ever was a deterrent was when they first started. They had some pretty substantial suspensions at that time.

“I just find that suspensions are not a deterrent. Everyone wants to jump the Department of Player Safety. The players’ association puts up resistance with some of these things. But they’re at the table, too, you know what I mean? So the players that are getting hurt are putting the restraints on severely or punishing players.

“My point in all this if you want it to change, it’s not complaining the league needs to change it. The players need to talk to their agents. And they need to say they want the rules changed as far as discipline. Then it’ll change. The league is not all of a sudden going to say, ‘We have injuries, we’re going to make a substantial change.’ If the players do it, they will. If you want changes to player safety, the players have to drive it.”

So, in Rupp’s view, if players have a problem with the inequity of suspensions and fines, they have the power to help change that in upcoming CBA negotiations.

Roy, who was suspended multiple times in his career, said missing games didn’t hurt him as much as when there were larger fines. He doesn’t know what the right amount of fine would be the ideal deterrent, but said, “Maybe if you’re chasing a guy, coming 100 miles per hour like Tom Wilson, maybe you’ll bring him into the boards, hugging him instead of running him head first into the boards or slew-footing.”

Rupp echoed that point to The Athletic, saying George Parros, the head of the Department of Player Safety, doesn’t have the power many fans might imagine. “I think that’s where people get hung up,” he said. “They think, ‘Wow, that was the most severe, grossly whatever thing that happened — throw the book at them.’ Well, the book has already been written.”

Foligno understands players can talk to the NHLPA and league about stiffer penalties. He said if there’s any types of penalties he’d like to see increased or changed, it’d be for slew-footing and kneeing, the type of infraction that happened to Spurgeon. It should be noted the Wild’s Ryan Hartman was suspended two games last season for slew-footing Alex DeBrincat, although the league deemed it “tripping” in the suspension video.

“I don’t love that hit — I don’t want to see it,” Rupp said of the Spurgeon injury. “Because a guy can lose a year, it can change the trajectory of his career. The franchise can dismantle, depending on who it is. We’re talking about a billion-dollar industry now, and that could change a lot of different things because of a careless play like that. In my mind, I’m like, ‘Just whack this kid (L’Heureux) with whatever.’ But you can’t do that.”
 
If they go after him the NHL should lower the boom on the Wild, including the GM and coach. He served his penalty put out by the NHL, just because they don't like it doesn't mean they should be allowed to take runs at him. The Refs should be told going in, if anyone makes a run at him they will be ejected and be given double the suspension he was, and that should be made clear to them.

Teams shouldn't be able to hunt guys just because they don't like a ruling by the NHL.
 
I'll also add if I were Brunette I'd look at the Wild coach before the game and tell him, if you go after him we will start breaking legs and putting sticks in teeth. We have nothing to lose this season, but if you want to blow any shot you have in the post season we can sure help you in that matter.
 
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I'll also add if I were Brunette I'd look at the Wild coach before the game and tell him, if you go after him we will start breaking legs and putting sticks in teeth. We have nothing to lose this season, but if you want to blow any shot you have in the post season we can sure help you in that matter.
This is implying that Brunette thinks about things. He doesn't!

Maybe he will do something really edgy like start the 4th line. That'll show 'em!
 
I'll also add if I were Brunette I'd look at the Wild coach before the game and tell him, if you go after him we will start breaking legs and putting sticks in teeth. We have nothing to lose this season, but if you want to blow any shot you have in the post season we can sure help you in that matter.
I bet Bruno starts the fourth line. Will be important to set the tone and send a message ;)

This is implying that Brunette thinks about things. He doesn't!

Maybe he will do something really edgy like start the 4th line. That'll show 'em!
Beat me to it.
 
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