Proposal: Nashville-NYR
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no on Miller unless a ++ and Hanifin returned
Hayes not going due to Vesey
not sure they do Nash to Nashville even w/+ if Ellis is return, or at all due to cap, but would listen
the answer is some variant on Stepan
we have more than enough C depth, and Nieves is in the wings
? is
Stepan's #s fitting
and
what is best D return for Stepan
could be best to add reduced in order to dump reduced Girardi/Staal
Stepan is a great 2 way hockey player , not sure why you would want to trade him . Same goes for Miller. I would trade Hayes and Vesey if the right Dman were available .
Gh24
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We've been throught this few times already, but what the hell. It's very unlikely that we move any of our top4.
- Ellis is on a very good contract (two more years after this @ 2.5M), people tend to forget it adds to his value
- The closest (while not there) replacement for top4 is Anthony Bitetto, who happens to be out for another 3-5 weeks. The gap is still big enough that we would need a currently top4 capable dman back or throught another trade (why would we do this? We have Ellis on a good contract)
- We don't need a question mark (Miller) that maybe works as 2C (We have 50pts Ribeiro and Fisher)
- Re: expansion draft. You should read the rules. Teams are allowed to protect a goalie and 8 skaters of any position too, instead of 7+3. (top4d + Johansen, neal, Forsberg and Smith/Wilson most likely)
It's true that we could use a better 2C, but I'm pretty sure the only pieces in play to acquire one are prospects, picks and maybe a roster forward not named Johansen, Neal or Forsberg.
Did I forget something?
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Gh24
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I overlooked this statement earlier, so just out of curiocity, which 7 forwards do you think we're protecting and why are they worth protecting over a 25 year old top4 dman with a contract of $2.5M/yr until 2019?
Yes, didn't look carefully enough to your roster. I guess protecting Forsberg, RyJo, Neal and Wilson would be enough for you. And LV would pick Smith.
But maybe trading Ellis for a good forward will let you protect more players and losing a worse player in the expansion draft.
Gh24
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It's actually Smith that's likely the 4th F protected, but anyway..
While you make a decent point with the protections, we go back to one of my points in my first post. We don't have anyone to replace Ellis NOW. We would be in need of a top4d, if we traded Ellis, who is a top4d. That's the problem.
go4hockey
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Their top 4 is set on the back end there is no way they move a guy like Ellis on the great contract he is on and surely wouldn't move him for what your offering.
Spot on.
Replacing Colin Wilson is much easier than replacing Ellis.
We're fine on the wings anyway with Neal, Forsberg, Arvidsson, Fiala, Smith, Wilson, Jarnkrok.
Replacing Colin Wilson is much easier than replacing Ellis.
We're fine on the wings anyway with Neal, Forsberg, Arvidsson, Fiala, Smith, Wilson, Jarnkrok.
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To add some clarity. Arvidsson is not playing 1LW. He filled in there for one game when we had 5 of our regulars scratched (Rinne, Fisher, Smith, Sissons, Bass) and 5 call ups due to food poisoning from the Detroit pre-game meal. On the plus side of that though, he scored two goals in that position, so maybe he does belong there. Fiala has been in that position for most of the games thus far.
Pretty much been covered, but we can't move a defenseman without a replacement coming back, and Ellis's contract is super sweet for what he brings.
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Is no one going to mention the "that's two first round picks, so what would you be willing to add to Ellis?" part? Because yikes!
This OP is a mess. Miller is hugely overrated, Ellis is still somehow underrated, Arvidsson is really good, and McIlrath being a former first round pick is absolutely meaningless.
This OP is a mess. Miller is hugely overrated, Ellis is still somehow underrated, Arvidsson is really good, and McIlrath being a former first round pick is absolutely meaningless.
One Winged Angel
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A kid who had a 20 goal 40 point last season is overrated? Then Hertl must be too.
Oh and JT Miller didn't need to play with Joe Thornton do so.
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Bringer of Jollity
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Not much interest here. Ellis is excellent in his role and on a great contract. Miller would be a nice add, but I'm not convinced he's be a substantial upgrade over a platoon of Fiala/Arvidsson/Jarnkrok/whoever on 1LW or Ribeiro/Fisher at 2C. Certainly not if the cost is Ellis.
Bjornar Moxnes
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Yes you forgot to get angry at the countless posters who don't understand that we don't need to trade Ellis and that our D depth contrary to popular belief is actually very poor so we can't afford giving away Dman like Oprah.
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We aren't trading a top 4 defenseman for a forward. It just makes no sense, at least no realistic scenario involving that kind of trade makes sense (naturally, if we could trade a top 4 defenseman for McDavid we would, but it isn't realistic). Right now we are waiting for Bitetto to come back and hoping he can play at least 40 games or we're really in a bind when it comes to the expansion draft. If Bitetto plays 40 games he can be our defenseman exposed at the draft. If not, we have to expose one of the top four, and they will certainly be picked.
Not saying it's likely, but if we traded Ellis and then Bitetto couldn't play 40 games we would almost surely lose Ekholm. That's a ****ing HUGE hole in our defense all of the sudden for not enough gain.
Naa because Ellis isn't available for this offer anyway, so the asking for an addition to Ellis is irrelevant.
Though the OP certainly didn't think that one through very well. I don't expect posters to know enough about every team's roster to think of possible expansion draft scenarios and what not, but I would expect them to know better than to use the "that's two first founders so what will you add to this top 4 defenseman" reasoning.
Not saying it's likely, but if we traded Ellis and then Bitetto couldn't play 40 games we would almost surely lose Ekholm. That's a ****ing HUGE hole in our defense all of the sudden for not enough gain.
Naa because Ellis isn't available for this offer anyway, so the asking for an addition to Ellis is irrelevant.
Though the OP certainly didn't think that one through very well. I don't expect posters to know enough about every team's roster to think of possible expansion draft scenarios and what not, but I would expect them to know better than to use the "that's two first founders so what will you add to this top 4 defenseman" reasoning.
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Tell me what was so controversial about my post. Please do. Tell me what I posted that was worth personally attacking me over.
What do I have to do to "put my best foot forward"? Claim that JT Miller is the greatest player in the world? Suck on Marc Staal's left toe? Every time I come in to defend a Ranger from another fan, no one notices. But I say something as innocuous as "JT Miller is overrated" and I'm committing some sort of holy sin? I rave about Mats Zuccarello in every place I can. I've been a huge defender of Stepan and McDonagh around HF for years. I even defend Rick Nash regularly. But I'll never get any credit for trying to right my wrongs because you guys can't see past what I did as a virtual child in 2011. Grow up.
You need to let it go. Jesus.
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