Proposal: Nashville and kings

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wouldn't do it, though the value is probably fair, maybe even slanted towards the Kings getting the better deal in a vacuum.

 

[Reaper45]

To Nashville,
Drew doughty, 3rd round pick

To kings,
Pk subban, Calle Jarnkrok, Dante Fabbro, first round pick


I know the Kings would never trade DD, but I just want to know if the value is there. So before everyone slams me, just looking to see if value is there, not if they are going to get on phone and actually make this deal. Do preds add more or too much added??

The value is there, but I don't think the Kings would do it.

 

[glenngineer]

I am sure subban will come around, end of the day I still say we lost the trade as Weber is always going to be a better leader, have way more of a presence, harder shot, way less giveaways, and better defensively.
Subban is just a few years younger, that's only advantage to Nashville in this trade.
If subban and Weber were same age, people would be blasting Poile big time for this moved and in all honesty they are not to far apart.

I'm glad after 9 games you can make this assessment. So Weber had a harder shot. Our PP has looked better without him here. Giveaways? Really? Guess what, when you have the puck more you're going to turn it over more. Weber relied on Josi to move the puck. It's just poor analysis on this point. Presence and leadership. Maybe so but where did it get Nashville all these years? Twice to the second round. That's it. That's not enough. Intangibles are wonderful when the team gets the ultimate goal and that hasn't happened so Poile made the moves he thought would get this team closer to the end goal. Will it happen is anyone's guess but making these statements 9 games in is foolish IMHO.

 

[lexlavender]

I'd do it, and Doughty is my favorite player in the league. This solves our forward depth issues while only slightly downgrading on D.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Kings could probably get a better package somewhere if they really wanted to move Doughty. 29 teams would lineup at the chance for him.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

I'm glad after 9 games you can make this assessment. So Weber had a harder shot. Our PP has looked better without him here. Giveaways? Really? Guess what, when you have the puck more you're going to turn it over more. Weber relied on Josi to move the puck. It's just poor analysis on this point. Presence and leadership. Maybe so but where did it get Nashville all these years? Twice to the second round. That's it. That's not enough. Intangibles are wonderful when the team gets the ultimate goal and that hasn't happened so Poile made the moves he thought would get this team closer to the end goal. Will it happen is anyone's guess but making these statements 9 games in is foolish IMHO.

What do you mean after nine games?? Subban and Weber are rookies and we have never seen their game before in the nhl??

 

[KingsCourt]

Lol.. Really... No thanks

 

[glenngineer]

What do you mean after nine games?? Subban and Weber are rookies and we have never seen their game before in the nhl??

9 games with their respective clubs. Just because we've seen their games doesn't mean we know how they're going to fair with their new clubs. Is Weber going to keep up his point a game pace he's on right now? Is Subban going to continue to struggle like he has with Nashville? You put out all these "assessments" of Subban and Weber yet fail to take in to account anything that has to do with the teams or systems they are now playing in. Do I expect more from Subban? I sure do but I'm not going to judge him by a 9 game sample. If I did that I'd say Poile made a mistake signing Forsberg to the contract he did.

 

[damacles1156]

Doughty would net a much better package in the open market. 29 teams would sell the farm, and roster players to land Drew at(26 years old)+current 7 million dollar rate.

A true Generational Defender at 26 years of age, with a 7 million cap hit. The bidding war, would be epic.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

9 games with their respective clubs. Just because we've seen their games doesn't mean we know how they're going to fair with their new clubs. Is Weber going to keep up his point a game pace he's on right now? Is Subban going to continue to struggle like he has with Nashville? You put out all these "assessments" of Subban and Weber yet fail to take in to account anything that has to do with the teams or systems they are now playing in. Do I expect more from Subban? I sure do but I'm not going to judge him by a 9 game sample. If I did that I'd say Poile made a mistake signing Forsberg to the contract he did.

What my point was is that Weber all in all is a better defenseman than subban. Period.
He's more of a leader as well and has such a presence.
We already have a better version of subban with Josi, expect a lot less giveaways with Josi. We now lack a Weber presence. It has nothing to do with 9 games man.

Our only stay at home ish defenseman is now ekholm. You don't win cups with just one of those boys.

 

[Viqsi]

What my point was is that Weber all in all is a better defenseman than subban. Period.
He's more of a leader as well and has such a presence.
We already have a better version of subban with Josi, expect a lot less giveaways with Josi. We now lack a Weber presence. It has nothing to do with 9 games man.

Our only stay at home ish defenseman is now ekholm. You don't win cups with just one of those boys.

Translation: "I never liked the trade to begin with because WEBER 4EVA and OMG PK EEEVILLLL and the current slump makes for an excellent rationalization of my prejudices, so now I'm immediately advocating undoing it - but with a younger, even better player, because Preds Manifest Destiny."

 

[One Winged Angel]

Doughty is worth more than that package . He is a generational defenseman. Haters can keep hating . I wouldnt trade Doughty straight up for anyone besides Mcdavid.

I wouldn't either.

Doughty is the best defenseman in the league. I've been saying it for years, even as a Ranger fan.

The guy is also the best money defenseman in the league too, when the stakes get raised, he takes his game to another level, like it or not.

He finally got his validation last June.

 

[Byrddog]

I wouldn't either.

Doughty is the best defenseman in the league. I've been saying it for years, even as a Ranger fan.

The guy is also the best money defenseman in the league too, when the stakes get raised, he takes his game to another level, like it or not.

He finally got his validation last June.

Thats a pretty bold statment and I like DD. But theres this guy named Karrlson and this other guy Chewbacca just a number of miles north of you that are better than DD. DD is in the same level as Weber and PK, he is better defensively than PK and level with Weber.

 

[Daggerlikehockey]

Just n input

I think kopitar goes 1st.
The kings system has some serious offensive prospects in the pipeline .

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Translation: "I never liked the trade to begin with because WEBER 4EVA and OMG PK EEEVILLLL and the current slump makes for an excellent rationalization of my prejudices, so now I'm immediately advocating undoing it - but with a younger, even better player, because Preds Manifest Destiny."

Lmao, I needed a good chuckle. Thanks haha

My proposal was hypothetical if you actually took ten seconds to read the first post. Was just asking if the value was there. Yes I'm not happy about the trade because we got rapped, but that isn't what this is about I was trying to gauge what doughtys value was.

Viqsi = evil angry face ahh
Hahaha,

Relax brah

 

[Gnashville]

Take out the first

 

[One Winged Angel]

Thats a pretty bold statment and I like DD. But theres this guy named Karrlson and this other guy Chewbacca just a number of miles north of you that are better than DD. DD is in the same level as Weber and PK, he is better defensively than PK and level with Weber.

Neither Burns nor Karlsson are near the level that Doughty is defensively and although they put up 20 or more points a year, neither of those guys would score 70+ points in LA while handling the minutes that Doughty does. Karlsson gets walked at least once a night and Burns while not as bad as Karlsson is defensively is nowhere near Doughty.

The voters seemed to agree with me. Maybe it was LA's staggering shots for to shots against differential while Doughty was on ice this past year. Maybe it was the fact that he played tough minutes for nearly 30 minutes a game and didn't have an overly high offensive zone start percentage? Maybe it was the fact he scored 50 points while dealing with all of this crap on a Sutter coached team that was starved for offense?

I'll take the 2016 Norris Winner and 2 time cup winner who was dominant in both cup runs and at Sochi in 2014. You can take Burns who doesn't have a Norris, isn't as good defensively and doesn't have a cup despite playing on a very good team.

But those 20 extra points though...

 

[glenngineer]

What my point was is that Weber all in all is a better defenseman than subban. Period.
He's more of a leader as well and has such a presence.
We already have a better version of subban with Josi, expect a lot less giveaways with Josi. We now lack a Weber presence. It has nothing to do with 9 games man.

Our only stay at home ish defenseman is now ekholm. You don't win cups with just one of those boys.

Weber is so much better. Yup, you're right.

So in the Penguins or Sharks top 4, name me the brooding, presence laden stay at home defenseman that got both of those teams to the finals last year.

 

[Viqsi]

Lmao, I needed a good chuckle. Thanks haha

It's good and healthy to be able to laugh at one's own faults, but ideally one should also be learning to do better in the process.

My proposal was hypothetical if you actually took ten seconds to read the first post. Was just asking if the value was there. Yes I'm not happy about the trade because we got rapped, but that isn't what this is about I was trying to gauge what doughtys value was.

And that of course is why, instead of making a Value Of: thread, you made a proposal in which we dump the one player you wish we'd never traded for. Uhhuh. No ulterior motives here!

Relax brah

...so, who are you talking to here all of a sudden?

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

PK is entertaining but he doesn't fit LAs system. LA is more of a defense first type team and PK takes too many chances which would make Sutter plant him on the bench. It would be more headache than it's worth. Just not LAs cup of tea.

 

[Daggerlikehockey]

Josi

Josi and doughty could work.

 

[Rock Paper Sissons]

Subban is the most overrated defenseman on hf boards.