Rumor: Namestnikov Gaining Some Interest

[RGY]

Cant trade him right now. His value is at an all time low.

 

[Yuck]

Both Spooner and Names are warm vet bodies letting the kids mature that will eventually turn into 2nd round picks at a future deadline. They are both great depth pickups for playoff teams that won't cost a ton. Really don't get why everyone gets their panties in a twist about them. For a rebuilding team, they bring exactly the type of flexibility you want.

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah, I'm going to oversimplify, but the deal was built form the ground up, they get to a point maybe where Tampa demands Miller or else they walk away, so the Rangers ask for something back due to Miller's inclusion. They probably ask for Cirelli or Foote or something. That's met with a resounding no. They start looking at roster players and determine Namestnikov is a guy who they think can come in a be productive and be a decent organizational piece during the next year or two while they rebuild, and maybe they can flip him. So they say okay, we're comfortable adding Miller if you also add in Namestnikov.

It absolutely wasn't a situation where the McDonagh deal was done, and then Tampa is like, "Yo we'll give you Namestnikov for Miller," and Gorts is like hell yeah! I'm sure it was all part of the framework as it was being built out. Hell, Namestnikov could have been in the deal with Mitchell Stephens alongside Howden, and then Gorts says we'll add Miller if you turn Stephens into Hajek. Something like that. We don't know. But it's not two separate deals, I am almost 100% certain in that.

 

[Fitzy]

Cant trade him right now. His value is at an all time low.

I'd agree but that implies that his value might go back up.

We know last year's production was an aberration. Names is basically a 30-35 point 3rd line player who isn't physical and is only average defensively. And he makes 4 million.

I'm not sure how much that gets you in a trade. Obviously we retain salary to maximize the outcome, but there's a limit of 3 retentions at a time so they need be cautious with that in case a potential handler for Smith, Staal, or someone else comes along.

 

[nyr2k2]

Both Spooner and Names are warm vet bodies letting the kids mature that will eventually turn into 2nd round picks at a future deadline. They are both great depth pickups for playoff teams that won't cost a ton. Really don't get why everyone gets their panties in a twist about them. For a rebuilding team, they bring exactly the type of flexibility you want.

Yes, this was basically the analysis on them at the deadline. I think the discontent is that neither has done a single thing since being acquired and there's a fear that their value is dropping.

 

[Lays]

Can't believe Miller was basically a swap for him. NYR got fleeced.

It was reported that Miller/Vladdy was not in fact a straight swap. It was more likely Miller for Namestnikov+conditional 2nd (which becomes a 1st if TBL win cup) and McDonagh returned Howden+Hajek+1st
We really didn’t get fleeced, it was a good deal for both sides
Howden is already a 3C and Hajek has been a stud so far with top 4 potential. Our organization thinks he can be a top dman in the league

I’d rather also have let Miller walk than sign him to that contract, a conditional 2nd+Namestnikov is good for me. Namestnikov should also return a 2nd/3rd. The trade initially pissed me off but I’m really happy with how it worked out for both sides.

 

[Leonardo87]

Wouldn't JT have fit in with this rebuild MUCH BETTER than Namestnikov? Me thinks so, and quite possibly has hurt Hayes play to a degree. They had chemistry and were good buds. (No pun intended)

My eyes were telling me that JT was actually improving and somewhat of a threat, can't say the same for who we acquired.
Does anyone here think NAMES will reach 20+ goals? Well, that's what JT was pretty much down for moving forward.

How's he doing in Tampa, btw? Probably hanging with McD, Dan, Anton and Cally. Pounding some down.

The Cally and Miller combo has been excellent. They are really Tampa's 3rd line based on ice time and role, and helped to shut down MacKinnon's line last game. They also have like 3 or 4 goals together in the last 4 games. Miller has looked much better on the defense end, and now he is getting shut down duties.

As per Vladdy, he brings nothing to the table, a lot of players even if they are not producing do other things, he is not doing really anything. Watching Tampa over the last several years, saw he was a product of Stamkos and Kucherov. But he has not been good at all since joining NY. Really don't think he wants to be here.

 

[nyr2k2]

As per Vladdy, he brings nothing to the table, a lot of players even if they are not producing do other things, he is not doing really anything. Watching Tampa over the last several years, saw he was a product of Stamkos and Kucherov. But he has not been good at all since joining NY. Really don't think he wants to be here.

One thing about Vlad, that you can't really say for a lot of forwards in the Rangers lineup, is that he's safe. I haven't seen him make too many glaring mistakes out there. He's not generating offense (though he's looked better lately, I think some points will come) but he's not hurting us. We have enough guys out there that are blowing coverages and making poor decisions with the puck that to have Vlad out there, it's kind of a calming feeling. Now I don't know about the Corgis and relQACA$ and all that, but I'm okay sending him out there.

 

[East Coast Bias]

God i hope so. What a complete DUD he has been for us aside from the first game after the trade.

26 GP - 1G - 2A - 3P

Disgraceful.

Wow. That's a nice JT Miller playoff run right there.

 

[Good Intentions]

Both Spooner and Names are warm vet bodies letting the kids mature that will eventually turn into 2nd round picks at a future deadline. They are both great depth pickups for playoff teams that won't cost a ton.

Wow (I actually said 'wow' out loud), that is absolutely not true.

Neither have value even resembling a 2nd round pick. It would take a herculean run of production by either. Harsh reality, both are closer to being designated than a high draft choice.

 

[offdacrossbar]

the trade of 27 and 10 to tampa was a solid hockey deal. cap space is the life blood of rebuilding teams.

we rid out selves of a couple big 2nd contracts and get back useful players, picks and high upside prospects.

vlady is a solid player. hes smart and reliable. he can play the C or the W. look at his zone entry and exit numbers so far and last year. very solid with his exits even more than solid, they were like crazy good with the bolts. motivation is his only enemy. and who blames him.... from tampa to this tire fire ???

and now, after the dust settles it appears howden is a real player, hakej projects to be a solid top 4 guy and the picks are still in play.

anyone saying we didnt do well here is out to lunch.

 

[trench23]

I don't know in what universe we think that Spooner is returning a 2nd rounder? If we got a third for him, I would be ecstatic. and Nams a first? 2nd MAYBE... but more likely a third and a boom/bust prospect

 

[Trxjw]

The report on Names is still the same. Good complimentary player that adds defensive conscience to a line. He needs to play with really talented players in order to produce and the Rangers don't have those guys on the roster. I doubt his value has dipped because he never had a ton to begin with.

Put him on McDavids wing or centering talented wingers on the Jets and maybe he starts producing more. Having a guy that fits with some term on his deal is a selling point for teams that have a hard time attracting/keeping free agents.

 

[Edge]

JT Miller is one of those players that people like, and when you dig deeper, no one really understands why he's like as much as he is.

He's a guy who can put up some good point totals during the regular season --- good for about about 22 goals and 55 points. The numbers go up if paired with a top notch center.

But he's also not a guy who drives the line, he seems to get himself demoted quite a bit, and he certainly hasn't established himself as a playoff performer. His hockey sense and commitment away from the puck is often pretty questionable.

But he does just enough of things we like to see --- scoring, physicality, etc. But the sum never seems to equal the parts.

I sometimes wonder if he's going to be one of those guys who suddenly finds himself out of the league one day and anyone not familiar with him will go on Hockeydb.com, see the numbers and question why.

 

[Leonardo87]

One thing about Vlad, that you can't really say for a lot of forwards in the Rangers lineup, is that he's safe. I haven't seen him make too many glaring mistakes out there. He's not generating offense (though he's looked better lately, I think some points will come) but he's not hurting us. We have enough guys out there that are blowing coverages and making poor decisions with the puck that to have Vlad out there, it's kind of a calming feeling. Now I don't know about the Corgis and relQACA$ and all that, but I'm okay sending him out there.

Even when Vladdy was not paired with Kucherov and/or Stamkos he still had some decent production and was a solid PK'er and two way forward. I am just not seeing any of that from him since he has been in NY. If Rangers management expected him to be a 50 point player based on his numbers in Tampa last year, my confidence in Rangers management may be shaken a little. I see a guy who tries when he wants, but overall seems unhappy to be on a rebuilding team.

 

[Edge]

Right now the deal basically works out to Howden, Hajek, Lundkvist, Namestnikov and whatever we do with either a first or second round pick, for McD and Miller at a combined $12 million dollars for the next half decade. (With McD signed for two additional years).

So even going beyond the trade itself for a moment, we still have to acknowledge that Miller and McD would've probably cost the Rangers somewhere in the neighborhood of $14 million.

 

[pld459666]

Everyone knows Miller’s a better player, but it wasn’t a 1 for 1 deal, so there’s no need to compare them like this

Actually, I dont recall anything contrary to one for one, initiated by Gorton.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Actually, I dont recall anything contrary to one for one, initiated by Gorton.

I think was in a press conference, I’ll try to find it, but I very clearly remember him saying they wanted Hajek and had to include Miller to get him

 

[pld459666]

I think was in a press conference, I’ll try to find it, but I very clearly remember him saying they wanted Hajek and had to include Miller to get him

Well then Hajek better be the bees knees to make JTs inclusion look marginally palatable.

Because what we have now is trash on our roster.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Well then Hajek better be the bees knees to make JTs inclusion look marginally palatable.

Because what we have now is trash on our roster.

I know a lot of fans like Miller, but it feels like management had soured on him so there might be a discrenpency in value there. And we all knew the roster was going to be trash this year, it’s the first full season of rebuilding

 

[pld459666]

I know a lot of fans like Miller, but it feels like management had soured on him so there might be a discrenpency in value there. And we all knew the roster was going to be trash this year, it’s the first full season of rebuilding

I was speaking specifically of Namaste

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I was speaking specifically of Namaste

Fair enough, but I don’t think he was ever going to be a long term piece for the team


Also, I found this Brooks article about how the trade talks went:

https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/the-rangers-other-trade-chip-found-hockey-heaven/

When the Lightning joined the McDonagh Derby, the Rangers homed in on Libor Hajek, the 20-year-old defenseman whom Tampa Bay had selected 37th overall in 2016. General manager Steve Yzerman refused to part with him until Miller became part of an expanded conversation in which Vladislav Namestnikov was then added to the mix.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Right now the deal basically works out to Howden, Hajek, Lundkvist, Namestnikov and whatever we do with either a first or second round pick, for McD and Miller at a combined $12 million dollars for the next half decade. (With McD signed for two additional years).

So even going beyond the trade itself for a moment, we still have to acknowledge that Miller and McD would've probably cost the Rangers somewhere in the neighborhood of $14 million.

I think this is a sentiment that gets lost amidst fans and media trying to decide a winner and loser in trades, this one more specifically. None of us will ever know how the negotiations went. And like nyr2k2 said, Miller may very well have been the piece to close the deal, and Gorton went fishing to something useful off their roster in return.

But I don't think it's fair to assess the value given to TB (in McD and Miller) as being better than what we received, and not address what the cost of keeping those two guys would have been for us. The organization very clearly soured on JT over the course of his career. Maybe they would have offered him a short-term contract as another prove yourself deal, but they were never going to offer him 5+ years at $6+ mil per season. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and try to find the best return possible, which I think is what they tried to do here.

And hell, if we end up with a middle-6 C and two top-6 defensemen out of this trade...I would argue it went just as well for us. If TB doesn't win a Cup, I would say we won. Still a long way off from rendering that decision though.

 

[pld459666]

Fair enough, but I don’t think he was ever going to be a long term piece for the team


Also, I found this Brooks article about how the trade talks went:

https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/the-rangers-other-trade-chip-found-hockey-heaven/

Thanks

 

[SA16]

I mean would anyone seriously rather have Miller at 5.25M/year as opposed to having that cap space that can be used on Panarin on the off season? Come on.