Name a team with worse asset management than COL.

[Crossfire Hurricane]

Avs have made exactly 2 mistakes since the cup win in 2022 and they’re paying for it right now.

1. Not re-signing Kadri
2. Trading Rantanen

It’s not the quantity of mistakes, it’s the quality

The Avs needed to re-sign Kadri, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, Manson, Burakovsky, Kuemper, and Mackinnon. Some of those guys were due some huge raises under a flat cap after they just won a Cup. There was simply no way to do it without gutting the team of the little depth they had left.

With hindsight, you can say they should have prioritized Kadri over Manson/Nichushkin, but st the time he was a small, physical player on the wrong side of 30 looking for term and a big AAV. There's a reason he was on the market for like a month.

Jury's still out on the Rantanen trade, but after game 4 people were ready to declare the Stars the losers. Who knows. Though I wonder if the Rantanen trade still happens if the salary cap increases are announced a few weeks earlier.

 

[edevils]

As a Bolts fan, I won't say that they're the worst (especially because there has only been one really bad trade in the JBB era), and their hands were kind of tied on trading guys who were set to expire as they were chasing cups, but would have been nice to get some kind of returns for Stamkos, Palat, Killorn, Coleman, etc.

I do think Colorado has to be down there near the bottom. Rangers up there too imo. Selling off Kakko the way they did, trading McDonagh and Miller for peanuts, trading for JT Miller in a down year, acquiring Goodrow just to dump him against his will, the Trouba extension, all not great. They did get Adam Fox though, but odds are he only wanted to play for NYR. Preds currently doing a pretty bad job under Trotz. I guess you could really make a case for Buffalo in trading away so many star players (or letting them walk) such as Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, ROR (even though they actually did well in that trade), Hagel, Montour, Skinner, the list goes on.

Just be happy Palat is not on your roster at 6 mil a season.

 

[the_fan]

The Avs needed to re-sign Kadri, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, Manson, Burakovsky, Kuemper, and Mackinnon. Some of those guys were due some huge raises under a flat cap after they just won a Cup. There was simply no way to do it without gutting the team of the little depth they had left.

With hindsight, you can say they should have prioritized Kadri over Manson/Nichushkin, but st the time he was a small, physical player on the wrong side of 30 looking for term and a big AAV. There's a reason he was on the market for like a month.

Jury's still out on the Rantanen trade, but after game 4 people were ready to declare the Stars the losers. Who knows. Though I wonder if the Rantanen trade still happens if the salary cap increases are announced a few weeks earlier.

I mean this thread exists right now because of the Kadri mistake not re-signing him. That’s where the poor asset management comes from.

Letting Kadri go, giving the 2C job to Compher, then letting Compher walk as a UFA the following year, when they could have just traded JTC for a draft pick which would free up cap space to re-sign Kadri.

Then started to look for a new 2C, getting RyJo, while they didn’t give up much for RyJo, they had to give up a 1st to get rid of him because it failed badly.

Then traded Byram for Mittelstadt, which also failed. Now looks like Nelson is another failed attempt to fix the 2C position, and gave up a good prospect and a 1st round pick

All this bad asset management comes from not re-signing Kadri pure and simple

 

[Memento]

The St. Louis Blues asset management under Bill Laurie was inexcusably atrocious: the only half-decent asset we got for Chris Pronger was Eric Brewer (who wasn't terrible, but obviously not more than a #3 at his absolute best, and he was the headliner) and he ordered the entire team torn down to the bare bones so he could get an easy sale and because he was pissy that he didn't get an NBA team, which was the only reason he bought the Blues in the first place.

The sad thing is that it's still not the worst asset mismanagement the Blues have had: Purina (their owner at the time) refused to send anyone to the 1983 Entry Draft, and thus, we didn't draft anyone from that class. All Blues fans are thankful the Blues are not in Saskatchewan, and they would've been, if f***ing Purina had their way.

 

[My3Sons]

The New York Jets

 

[Summer Rose]

I was busy when they traded Rantanen to the Canes, so how accurate is my impression of the fallout for those more privy to the situation?

My impression is Mikko was playing hardball with the Avs in negotiations. The trade deadline was still 5 weeks away, so there was still time, and he never expected to be traded in January, and that negotiations would continue. The trade caught him completely off guard as a result, and it’s apparent he was never asked about what he’d think of playing in Carolina long term. Him later accepting less when he was traded to Dallas at the deadline was a result of him being closer to the deadline and not having time to play hardball.

For those more privy to the situation, how accurate is this impression?

I'm not sure if I'm more privy to the situation than you are, but that's the general impression I got as well, except maybe not that he was playing hardball with Colorado over the contract negotiation. I'm not sure how accurate that part of it is, but either way, contract negotiations were stalling or just not really happening at all.

 

[Rebels57]

Please do some research on Chuck Fletchers tenure as Flyers GM.

He's considered a Terrorist in the city. Probably wouldnt last 5 minutes if he stepped foot back here.

 

[frontsfan67]

Who are also a team that hasn't been great at asset management (Faber, Vilardi, Durzi, Cernak...)

also not trading Doughty and Kopitar years ago when they still had lots of value

Rob Blake takes the cake.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Rob Blake’s best picks are all playing for other teams.

 

[Mattb124]

Okay, he is more of 2/3D as of now, with #1 potential.

The sabers are an awful team, if he was on any other team, he would be a #1/2

That not how that works.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Vancouver Canucks.

4 pages and no one said it couldn't believe it

 

[Beville]

Ottawa has been terrible since 2017, but I wouldn't consider them the "worst" because their goal wasn't the same as most winning teams.

First it was to cut payroll, then it was to try overpay for low-salary half measures in hopes they could win and stop the bleeding of low ticket sales (Stepan, etc), then it was a mix of Dorion trying to "win now" without regard for the future because his job was both to polish up the franchise for a sale and market himself as a competent GM for when the new ownership inevitably brought in their own guys. (Chychrun, Debrincat, offering Tarasenko and Korpisalo long-term deals, etc).

Even going back to the Duchene trade, I think that Dorion knew that their window to win was based around Karlsson/Stone/Hoffman's RFA deals. So I think that there was more urgency than with any normal team, which Sakic took advantage of.

Don’t forget the stone trade being the best day of his life…

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Nashville no question, we threw away a perfectly good top 4 defenseman in Fabbro for nothing. Traded Schenn AND Novak for a 4th only to see Schenn get a 2nd by himself, tossed Tomasino, Parssinen, Tolvanen, etc away.

If it makes you feel any better, Schenn actually returned a 2nd and a 4th by himself.

 

[ijuka]

The Avs needed to re-sign Kadri, Nichushkin, Lehkonen, Manson, Burakovsky, Kuemper, and Mackinnon. Some of those guys were due some huge raises under a flat cap after they just won a Cup. There was simply no way to do it without gutting the team of the little depth they had left.

With hindsight, you can say they should have prioritized Kadri over Manson/Nichushkin, but st the time he was a small, physical player on the wrong side of 30 looking for term and a big AAV. There's a reason he was on the market for like a month.

Jury's still out on the Rantanen trade, but after game 4 people were ready to declare the Stars the losers. Who knows. Though I wonder if the Rantanen trade still happens if the salary cap increases are announced a few weeks earlier.

Avs have spent far more assets on trying to find a new 2C than it would have cost them to facilitate signing Kadri.

And by the way, they still have no 2C, so they will need to spend even more of them.

Also, Landeskog went on LTIR after that season so that's 7 mil that was freed up. Incidentally, exactly what Kadri would have cost.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Ritchie and a first round pick for Nelson would have looked good if they would have won game 7 against Dallas and proceeded to the 2 nd round against Winnipeg ( likely winning and advancing)

When Ritchie is a dominate player in a few years it’s going to look bad/ terrible for the use of Nelson for 2 months.

Karma ….. Ratt-annen destroying them with 8 points in games 6 & 7).

I liked the Rattanen for Necas trade at the time.

Rattanen was over playing his hand to heavy and Sakic called him on it.
Rattanen only accepted his 12 mill with Dallas After his getting traded and almost ending up in Carolina.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

What other teams is Byram a 1/2D on?

This year would be Sharks, Hawks, Flyers and Bruins with Lindholm's injury.

 

[kevistar]

Punt Nelson's ass out anywhere. Do any Avs want to bring him back?!

CUP win trumps everything and a lot of their lack of success was Nichushkin related too.

Theyll be fine. Next year is tight then theyre back to having money to do whatever they want.

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Wait a minute, are people traumatised by what happened to capfriendly that they're doing their own version on excel?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

The Avs really should have gone hard after Eichel when he was available, they clearly looked I and Eichel himself mentioned that he thought he was headed to Colorado.

Alternatively, they should have done everything they could to get Horvat once it was clear that Newhook wasn’t going to be a 2C option.

A huge part of their problem has been that they go with the cheap option until the glaring hole is so obvious that it causes them problems and then they have to overpay.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Jim Benning traded 29 draft picks in 7 years
he brought in 12
Nobody compares to Jim Benning in asset management
he gave 2nd round picks in damn near every frigan trade, its like he was leaving a tip at a restaurant
"here have a 2nd round pick"

To put this into perspective
jim Benning said and I quote
"Nobody likes draft picks more than me in this league"
That is a real quote when he was hired as GM

Oilers traded a 1st (15th overall) and a 2nd (33rd overall) for Griffen Reinhart.
They trade 2 2nd to the wings for 14 games of Andreas Athansiou
Michael Kessering and a 3rd for 25 games of Nick Bjugstrad
The handling of Broberg and Hallway
they have trades away a lot of picks for little or nothing in return

 

[KingsFan7824]

also not trading Doughty and Kopitar years ago when they still had lots of value

Name the year when you think they still had lots of value in a realistic NHL trade scenario.

 

[frontsfan67]

Name the year when you think they still had lots of value in a realistic NHL trade scenario.

2020/21 2021/22 had far more value than they do now. Would’ve traded them then. Rob Blake for ya. Could’ve got some decent prospects still for them. Also if they don’t go and make that fiala trade they would have Clarke faber for years and years. Fiala trade never made sense he was never going to be the guy to put then over the top Edmonton or no Edmonton.

 

[GoldenSeal]

Colorado won the Cup a few seasons ago. Folks would LOVE that kind of asset management.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Also, Landeskog went on LTIR after that season so that's 7 mil that was freed up. Incidentally, exactly what Kadri would have cost.

No one knew he'd be out for 3 years. Every offseason the Avs couldn't spend over his salary, just use it as a rental cushion at the deadline.

 

[KaprizovSaveUs]

Buffalo comes to kind

 

[glenngineer]

Easily the Nashville Predators.

How do you trade a blue chip goalie prospect for a lesser goalie, a late 1st rounder in a poor draft and guy who experts project as a bottom 6 center? All this because you signed your 5'11" goalie, about to hit his 30's to an 8 year contract and appearing to be a downward swing and having never won a playoff series. This forced said blue chip goalie prospect to want out and while GM's need to think about team dynamics, this was strictly cause and effect caused by the GM's actions.

Between that miscalculation and Dante Fabbro, that should've been enough to get him fired. Add in to the fact that he's now double downed on a coach who helped us to our second worst season since inception this past year saying he's a good young coach that needs time to develop, all the while said coach won't give his young players the same grace and time to develop.

Lots of conflicting information from the GM and coach, a ton of prospects moved for pennies on the dollar, an aging core that is on the wrong side of 30 with not a ton of prospects that start to blow the sails in the right direction.

Poile set Trotz up for success by giving him a ton of draft capital and it's going to go to waste because I don't think Trotz knows what he's doing in the front office.