Name a team with worse asset management than COL.

[Sniper99]

Winner. Dubas has two wins in Toronto:

-Drafting Matthew Knies, the rest of his draft record is pathetic
-Made a great trade to get Jared McCann.. but then just left him unprotected for the expansion draft lol

Everything else he did was a disaster. There's a laundry list of bad trades and signings with him. I feel sorry for Pittsburgh getting this fraud.

was a sucker at negotiating contracts with "The Core"

traded a 1st to get rid of Marleau who turned into Jarvis. Bra-vo!

 

[periferal]

Ryan O’Reilly - Won a cup in St Louis
Jack Eichel - Won a cup in Vegas
Sam Reinhart - Won a cup in Florida
Brandon Montour - Won a cup in Florida

Who do the Sabres have left as a result of these players leaving? Tuch and Thompson?

The Sabres are truly a special case. Even when they draft well they never develop/maximize the talents of those players. I think rehiring Lindy Ruff is an apropos metaphor. Add in the doctor that advised Eichel and it's over the top.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Yeah, I’m not 100% sure what went on with Nuke. Just saying that it could be possible there was something before the extension given what’s transpired since then and the team has the resources to properly vet their employees.

And Cam Talbot would be an example. He was much more proven than Georgiev. Had only 1 year left and his time in Minnesota before he was traded to Ottawa ended in a really sour way after they acquired Flower.

If the team obviously had the resources to properly vet their employees, why are you assuming that they didn't? Unless you have some actual evidence that suggests the Avs should have definitely known something was up with Nuke, the fact it could be possible that there was something is essentially meaningless.

And Talbot was 35 years old that off-season, so not exactly the potential mid-term solution the Avs were looking for that year. I agree he was more proven, but he would have been a one year stop gap at best.

 

[1specter]

If he were still on the Avs, he'd still be useful, but he wouldn't be playing 19:21 per game as the defacto 1C or leading the team in PP ice time, like he did this year in Calgary. If he's playing 2C and only scoring ~50 points per season, like he did his first two seasons in Colorado, paying him $7m doesn't seem like a great idea to me.

Oh I agree it woulda been a good contract for half the duration or so.. it’s the last half that would have become a bad contract. I’ve just never been a fan of giving guys at a certain age a long term deal like his.

He wouldn’t have been near as productive on Colorado as he is in Calgary and the GM would have taken a lot of heat for giving him that contract

Agree to disagree. Kadri has proven he can be a productive 2C in Toronto, Colorado and a 1C/2C in Calgary. He's had multiple seasons where he's either hit 30 goals or paced for it across all three teams. Maybe he wouldn't be the go to guy in Colorado, but he produced his best numbers ever there playing 2C feasting on lesser matchups. With all the talent there around him I find it hard to believe he wouldn't continue putting up good production.

At the very least, I have no doubt he'd be a more effective 2C than all of the band-aids McFarland / Sakic have gotten instead.

 

[Summer Rose]

Garth was solid with the scrap heap pickups surprisingly. Lou overall did decent while he was here in getting the team some respect on the ice and playoff wins. There’s always worse.

So was Don Maloney for that matter, because looking in the scrap heap for players to salvage was one of the primary methods that he used to acquire players during his tenure with the Coyotes as their GM.

 

[North]

Kane injuring his knee doesn’t impact the fact that the Oilers let a forward who showed potential of being a top 6 forward that was soon to be 24 and picked in the first round in 2020 for a contract that has $2.9 mil AAV for 2 years.

Except he didn’t show that potential at all. If he had the Blues would have paid more for him and wouldn’t have had him earmarked for a third line role to begin with.

 

[hamzarocks]

Are you high?

They basically turned over half their roster on the fly and were a great team heading into the playoffs. They lost a 7 game series to a slightly better opponent in a series that ought to have been the WCF.

The stars were a worse team, got ourplayed bad at EVS/5V5 and it took the Avs choking hard in game 7 to lose.

If the Stars had their 1D (top 10 in the league) and best offensive forward (top 30 player) then the Stars beating the Avs is fair. This Stars team was a 1st round exit team.

The Avs and Stars 100% healthy aren't better than the Oilers when 100% healthy. The Oilers beat the Stars last year and will likely do it again this year if they meet.

There hasn't been a better hockey player than a playoff driven Connor McDavid (2022 to now) ever + Leon draisaitl also being a top 10 playoff player all time helps

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

The costs they paid for their 2 rental centers seems to be the bigger issue. Bad trades happen (Byram).

 

[Stopper33]

This is hindsight based. At the time, the cost to keep Kadri was too high. Rantanen at 14-16 was too high, it seems he only dropped back to 12 after the market for him at 14-16 dried up, Marty and Drury at Mikko's salary is a good deal.At the time Byram for Middlestadt was generally seen as a win.

If Makar's stick doesn't blow up, do we get a thread that says that Dallas made a mistake trading for Mikko? I don't think that'd be a valid criticism either.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Agree to disagree. Kadri has proven he can be a productive 2C in Toronto, Colorado and a 1C/2C in Calgary. He's had multiple seasons where he's either hit 30 goals or paced for it across all three teams. Maybe he wouldn't be the go to guy in Colorado, but he produced his best numbers ever there playing 2C feasting on lesser matchups. With all the talent there around him I find it hard to believe he wouldn't continue putting up good production.

At the very least, I have no doubt he'd be a more effective 2C than all of the band-aids McFarland / Sakic have gotten instead.

We totally agree that Kadri has proven he can be a productive 2C and would have absolutely been a more effective 2C than the guys they've been able to afford since letting him go. The only place we seem to disagree is whether or not being a productive, effective 2C is a good enough reason for the Avs to match the 7/7 offer he got from Calgary to be their 1C. I think they had bigger needs for that cap space, and made the right choice to let him walk.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

You guys are being too hard on the Avs.

 

[Fatass]

Colarado went from having one of the most rich and deepest pool of players in Kadri, Rantanen, and Bowen Byram, to cheap depth pieces.

- The AVS chose to not re-sign Nazem Kadri as their #2C for 7 Million.
- Than, they traded a #1/2D in Bowen Byram for 6$ Million #2C Casey Middlestadt
- Now, they didn't want to pay Rantanen an extra 500k per year, and, instead traded him for Martin Necas.


It seems like the AVS front office thought they were playing 4D Chess by nickle and diming their core pieces in Kadri, Rantanen, and, managing the asset in Bowen Byram.

This has to be one of the most negligent waste of assets in recent history. Name a worse display of asset management.

Los Angeles?

 

[the_fan]

As an Avs fan I will completely agree that CMac has done a horrible job with asset management, but winning the cup somewhat eases the pain

 

[Mr grumpy]

Over the past 10 years if the Oilers had not given so much away? They could have built a dynasty.

 

[jalapenoWithAnH]

This is hindsight based. At the time, the cost to keep Kadri was too high. Rantanen at 14-16 was too high, it seems he only dropped back to 12 after the market for him at 14-16 dried up, Marty and Drury at Mikko's salary is a good deal.At the time Byram for Middlestadt was generally seen as a win.

If Makar's stick doesn't blow up, do we get a thread that says that Dallas made a mistake trading for Mikko? I don't think that'd be a valid criticism either.

Rantanen didn't ask for 14-16M lol why do you make stuff up? The market for him also didn't dry up. Lol Carolina offered 12.5M and Toronto reportedly 13M.

Rantanen's camp asked for 13M based on some sources. Colorado based their 11M~ on Pastrnaks 11.25M deal. But if Pastrnak made the same deal under the new salary cap he made in 2019, he would make 12.8M. So Colorado indirectly confirmed Rantanen was worth the same as Pastrnak which under the rising salary cap would be closer to 13M.

Source:

 

[ItWasJustified]

I thought they were going to dominate the league 5 years ago. One cup for Makar/McKinnon might be looked back on as disappointing all things considered.

They were without their captain and a top player in Landeskog.

 

[Maplebeasts]

The Oilers losing Broberg and Holloway to offer sheets looks pretty bad right now. Us trading a billion first round picks to win 2 playoff series and get rid of one year of Marleau's contract in a season we lost in round one also looks awful.

 

[D1az]

The Sabres exist.

They have had quite good assets though, but somehow play at 60% of their potential when in a Sabres jersey.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

If there are teams out there with worse asset management then the Dorion Sens era…. Well, I really feel sorry for that teams fans.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Colarado went from having one of the most rich and deepest pool of players in Kadri, Rantanen, and Bowen Byram, to cheap depth pieces.

- The AVS chose to not re-sign Nazem Kadri as their #2C for 7 Million.
- Than, they traded a #1/2D in Bowen Byram for 6$ Million #2C Casey Middlestadt
- Now, they didn't want to pay Rantanen an extra 500k per year, and, instead traded him for Martin Necas.


It seems like the AVS front office thought they were playing 4D Chess by nickle and diming their core pieces in Kadri, Rantanen, and, managing the asset in Bowen Byram.

This has to be one of the most negligent waste of assets in recent history. Name a worse display of asset management.

Easy - Nashville Predators.

LA Kings probably too.
Buffalo Sabres…

 

[ijuka]

Nashville Predators.

 

[I am not exposed]

Laughable over reaction thread. There are numerous teams with worse asset management than Colorado.

 

[Bouboumaster]

They recently got a Stanley Cup, they're doing all right lol

 

[Bouboumaster]

Nashville Predators.

That might be the answer

 

[Nasti]

The Kings turned…

Vilardi
Iafallo
Durzi
Faber
Roy
Walker
Petersen
Kupari
Grans
2022 first round pick

Into…

Fiala
Kuemper
2 years of Provorov’s retained contract