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Name a team with worse asset management than COL.

Damn now imagine Colorado didn’t fleece Montreal twice in the past 3 years

Barron + 2nd for Lehkonen helped them get a cup

31 + 37 for Newhook was another good trade
 
fbuford said:
Okay, he is more of 2/3D as of now, with #1 potential.

The sabers are an awful team, if he was on any other team, he would be a #1/2
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Do you mean any AHL team he would be a #1?

As bad as the Aves have managed their assets they still have two defenders clearly still better than Byram. And Toews isn't even that good.
 
I’m still fine with them trading Rants. I doubt it actually came down to 500K, it was likely the team deciding whether or not they wanted to pay a guy that much when they already have two superstars. I think they were right to move him and make changes to how they do their cap. If they paid Rants 12 it would make it pretty hard to build the rest of the team - and they already struggle to do that.

Necas and Drury are good return for Rants. Easier to manage cap, players that fill roles at a lower cost.
 
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Colarado went from having one of the most rich and deepest pool of players in Kadri, Rantanen, and Bowen Byram, to cheap depth pieces.

- The AVS chose to not re-sign Nazem Kadri as their #2C for 7 Million.
- Than, they traded a #1/2D in Bowen Byram for 6$ Million #2C Casey Middlestadt
- Now, they didn't want to pay Rantanen an extra 500k per year, and, instead traded him for Martin Necas.


It seems like the AVS front office thought they were playing 4D Chess by nickle and diming their core pieces in Kadri, Rantanen, and, managing the asset in Bowen Byram.

This has to be one of the most negligent waste of assets in recent history. Name a worse display of asset management.
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Lol. Worst take ever. I loved Byram, but he is not going to ever be a top pairing Dman. More of a 3/4 awesome dman in the right situation (having a sold defense first guy as a line mate).

The Rantanen trade, well, it played out like a movie script didn't it. Horrible trade by the Av's, the next 2-3 years will be tough with him on Dallas.
 
bleedgreen said:
I’m still fine with them trading Rants. I doubt it actually came down to 500K, it was likely the team deciding whether or not they wanted to pay a guy that much when they already have two superstars. I think they were right to move him and make changes to how they do their cap. If they paid Rants 12 it would make it pretty hard to build the rest of the team - and they already struggle to do that.

Necas and Drury are good return for Rants. Easier to manage cap, players that fill roles at a lower cost.
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Great job of coping,

Rants completely took over the game solo and won the series - single handedly for his new team.
 
IWantSakicAsMyGM said:
Having worked with/for a lot of very wealthy people, I find it hard to believe that even billionaires have the resources to be able to accurately predict the future. I also believe that at least some of Nuke's issues may have stemmed from the broken foot he played on during the Cup finals that year. How many painkillers did it take to play on that foot in game 6? How many more pain killers did he get before/during/after surgery? Obviously, I don't know anything specific about Nuke's situation, but it certainly sounds like the start of a lot of the addiction stories I've heard.

And who was more proven in 2022 that the Avs could have gotten for a similar price (a couple of 3rds and a 5th) and signed for $3.5m AAV or less?
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Yeah, I’m not 100% sure what went on with Nuke. Just saying that it could be possible there was something before the extension given what’s transpired since then and the team has the resources to properly vet their employees.

And Cam Talbot would be an example. He was much more proven than Georgiev. Had only 1 year left and his time in Minnesota before he was traded to Ottawa ended in a really sour way after they acquired Flower.
North said:
Oh really? Hindsight. Both only started showing something during the playoffs last year and were injury prone.

The Oilers expected to sign them to reasonable deals especially considering the salary cap issues.

The Blues made an astute move but I’d argue those two are still injury prone.

Should the Oilers have matched Holloway? Yes. Broberg at that price? No.

Broberg missed a significant chunk of time during the season and was pretty underwhelming in the playoffs. Holloway didn’t even play in the playoffs.

At least Podkolzin (Holloway replacement) has been useful in the playoffs. Emberson (Broberg replacement)has been uneven but is only a fraction of the cost.
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The Oilers still signed Skinner to be a stop gap at a price comparable to Holloway. He would be a nice complimentary player for the Oilers as they continue to attempt to contend with McDavid and Leon.

The Oilers made moves to have the cap to match both him and Broberg but didn’t. Broberg would be harder to match but it’s terrible asset management to give up on a defenseman that soon who showed glimpses of his potential in the playoffs, especially given that it takes longer for defensemen to develop. I’m less critical of them not matching Broberg, but not matching him and Holloway was wrong given Edmonton’s roster construction. Holloway shouldn’t have even made it to RFA to begin with.

It doesn’t take hindsight to say that.
 
Louie the Blue said:
Yeah, I’m not 100% sure what went on with Nuke. Just saying that it could be possible there was something before the extension given what’s transpired since then and the team has the resources to properly vet their employees.

And Cam Talbot would be an example. He was much more proven than Georgiev. Had only 1 year left and his time in Minnesota before he was traded to Ottawa ended in a really sour way after they acquired Flower.

The Oilers still signed Skinner to be a stop gap at a price comparable to Holloway. He would be a nice complimentary player for the Oilers as they continue to attempt to contend with McDavid and Leon.

The Oilers made moves to have the cap to match both him and Broberg but didn’t. Broberg would be harder to match but it’s terrible asset management to give up on a defenseman that soon who showed glimpses of his potential in the playoffs, especially given that it takes longer for defensemen to develop. I’m less critical of them not matching Broberg, but not matching him and Holloway was wrong given Edmonton’s roster construction. Holloway shouldn’t have even made it to RFA to begin with.

It doesn’t take hindsight to say that.
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Unfortunately it does because until Kane injured his knee while rehabbing we didn’t know if he was going to be available during the season.
 
North said:
Unfortunately it does because until Kane injured his knee while rehabbing we didn’t know if he was going to be available during the season.
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Kane injuring his knee doesn’t impact the fact that the Oilers let a forward who showed potential of being a top 6 forward that was soon to be 24 and picked in the first round in 2020 for a contract that has $2.9 mil AAV for 2 years.
 
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I think they love their approach a little too much leaving them with blinders on. 5 of their 6 D are six foot or shorter. They play an uptempo offensive style well suited or because of their size but they get manhandled in the playoffs. Many here are right that they haven't solved 2C which has been a boat anchor to their success but I also think team philosophy does as well.
 
fbuford said:
Great job of coping,

Rants completely took over the game solo and won the series - single handedly for his new team.
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Lol “coping”. The Rants issue is a long term one, just because he slam dunked on the Avs for two games it doesn’t mean anything is different in terms of making the decision to trade him. This wasn’t the best Avs team, and one team that deserves to go further than the first round was going home early. Lots of over reactions going on for what happened in one period. The decision to trade him is an eight year decision, what it did to them for half of one season doesn’t make anything different. They got the best deal they could get for him and moved on.

I live in CO and do consider myself a fan overall but the Canes are my team. I don’t need to cope for anything, I have very little emotion about what happened. I thought Rants’ third period was amazing. I think the Avs biggest mistake was making so many moves at the deadline and changing the chemistry, on top of bringing back Landy. It was a new team learning how to play together in the playoffs.

As someone who lives in CO and works with people who are big fans, everyone I talk to (as well as myself) assumed Rants was going to be gone at some point when we started this season. He was always going to be gone imo. I didn’t see a way where they could afford him.
 
fbuford said:
Colarado went from having one of the most rich and deepest pool of players in Kadri, Rantanen, and Bowen Byram, to cheap depth pieces.

- The AVS chose to not re-sign Nazem Kadri as their #2C for 7 Million.
- Than, they traded a #1/2D in Bowen Byram for 6$ Million #2C Casey Middlestadt
- Now, they didn't want to pay Rantanen an extra 500k per year, and, instead traded him for Martin Necas.


It seems like the AVS front office thought they were playing 4D Chess by nickle and diming their core pieces in Kadri, Rantanen, and, managing the asset in Bowen Byram.

This has to be one of the most negligent waste of assets in recent history. Name a worse display of asset management.
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Rangers traded Kelly Miller and Mike Ridley for 28 games of Bobby Carpenter.
 
BB88 said:
Overreacting?

You didn’t reply to any of the concerns they have moving forward

Also yes they lost to Dallas, but they lost to Dallas who was without their best Dman and top3 forward. That Dallas roster isn’t a contender
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That poster doesn't seem to understand that Colorado lost to a handicapped Dallas, who are going to be right there again next year and the next.. and are looking much better for years to come.
 
Islanders easily. Lou’s goal seemed to try to compete for the 8th seed in the Eastern conference and give aging non-core players long term deals.
 
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The fact that McDavid doesn't have at least three cups already, how many years into his career, is a far more egregious example of mismanagement than anything the Avs could/would reasonably do. Even if the Oilers do win the cup this year, it's still worse as a body of work than the Avalanche.
 
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Gizmoskevich said:
Ryan O’Reilly - Won a cup in St Louis
Jack Eichel - Won a cup in Vegas
Sam Reinhart - Won a cup in Florida
Brandon Montour - Won a cup in Florida

Who do the Sabres have left as a result of these players leaving? Tuch and Thompson?
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Thompson, Tuch, Kulich, Krebs, Greenway on the big club, Ostlund, Levi Johnson on the farm, Sardarian on their reserve list.
 
elmaco said:
That poster doesn't seem to understand that Colorado lost to a handicapped Dallas, who are going to be right there again next year and the next.. and are looking much better for years to come.
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There’s definitely lot of Avs fans fans defensing the loss as losing to a potential Stanley Cup champ. No, that team wasn’t a Stanley Cup contender
 
periferal said:
Don Maloney
Garth Snow
Lou Lamoriello
Surely the next Isles GM...
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Garth was solid with the scrap heap pickups surprisingly. Lou overall did decent while he was here in getting the team some respect on the ice and playoff wins. There’s always worse.
 
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