Name a team with worse asset management than COL.

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Can you speak for certainty that they knew nothing when Nuke was extended? I can’t say for certainty they knew nothing.

They brought Darcy in to be a true bell cow goalie and (correctly) let him walk. However, trying to replace him with Georgiev or in a tandem with Francouz wasn’t the right move.

And agreed re: 2C. I don’t have a problem with the approach they took for Johansen or what they’ve done there since Kadri left.

Why would anyone expect any poster on HF to know anything about what the Avs knew at the time? Am I supposed to be impressed by your claims that you can't say anything with certainty about a situation you obviously weren't a part of? Or is that just your way of admitting you're as clueless about what they knew at the time as the rest of us?

As for Georgiev, he might not have been the right guy for the job, but I still believe that signing a young, mostly unproven backup who looks like he might be ready for the next step to a cheap contract he could possibly outplay was the right move at the time. It's certainly a better option than giving up the limited trade capital the team has for a goalie that costs twice as much against the cap.

 

[1specter]

Also, giving Kadri that contract would have been an awful decision long term and Byram isn’t remotely close to being a top pairing dman

But it's proving to not have been though. Kadri is still super productive and useful, even on a Calgary team with much less firepower around him. He just had his first 30/30 season at age 34 - he's already almost halfway into the deal. He's got at least another 2 good years in him IMO.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

One of the ones without a recent Cup or 2 of the best 10 players on earth on their roster.

 

[Volica]

We need Colorado to keep hard balling everyone, including Makar.
He'd look good in his hometown colours in a couple years

 

[JaegerDice]

Are you high?

They basically turned over half their roster on the fly and were a great team heading into the playoffs. They lost a 7 game series to a slightly better opponent in a series that ought to have been the WCF.

 

[Volica]

But it's proving to not have been though. Kadri is still super productive and useful, even on a Calgary team with much less firepower around him. He just had his first 30/30 season at age 34 - he's already almost halfway into the deal. He's got at least another 2 good years in him IMO.

From the Calgary insiders, Kadri did nix a trade back to Colorado... so it appears that that bridge may have been burnt.
I think in a do-over situation, the Avs keep him in the fold.

60+ point centres that play with P&V, and who are competent in their positions are always worth the price of admission. Just watch what Sam Bennett ends up getting in free agency this summer, and he's probably a step below Kadri.

 

[1specter]

Did we forget Edmonton's 2024 off-season? Just because they're still in the playoffs from beating up their little brother for a fourth year in a row doesn't give them a free pass.

 

[North]

What other teams is Byram a 1/2D on?

Teams where the actual 1/2D are injured.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

But it's proving to not have been though. Kadri is still super productive and useful, even on a Calgary team with much less firepower around him. He just had his first 30/30 season at age 34 - he's already almost halfway into the deal. He's got at least another 2 good years in him IMO.

If he were still on the Avs, he'd still be useful, but he wouldn't be playing 19:21 per game as the defacto 1C or leading the team in PP ice time, like he did this year in Calgary. If he's playing 2C and only scoring ~50 points per season, like he did his first two seasons in Colorado, paying him $7m doesn't seem like a great idea to me.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

But it's proving to not have been though. Kadri is still super productive and useful, even on a Calgary team with much less firepower around him. He just had his first 30/30 season at age 34 - he's already almost halfway into the deal. He's got at least another 2 good years in him IMO.

Oh I agree it woulda been a good contract for half the duration or so.. it’s the last half that would have become a bad contract. I’ve just never been a fan of giving guys at a certain age a long term deal like his.

He wouldn’t have been near as productive on Colorado as he is in Calgary and the GM would have taken a lot of heat for giving him that contract

 

[Louie the Blue]

Why would anyone expect any poster on HF to know anything about what the Avs knew at the time? Am I supposed to be impressed by your claims that you can't say anything with certainty about a situation you obviously weren't a part of? Or is that just your way of admitting you're as clueless about what they knew at the time as the rest of us?

As for Georgiev, he might not have been the right guy for the job, but I still believe that signing a young, mostly unproven backup who looks like he might be ready for the next step to a cheap contract he could possibly outplay was the right move at the time. It's certainly a better option than giving up the limited trade capital the team has for a goalie that costs twice as much against the cap.

I’m admitting that I am as clueless as others, but I find it hard to believe a business that is owned by a billionaire wouldn’t have the resources to vet the background of their personnel thoroughly.

Why take a gamble on an unproven backup when the team is in the middle of their window of contention? Not paying Darcy was the right move, but that doesn’t mean they should have gone after someone as unproven as Georgiev.

 

[Hale The Villain]

No idea what MacFarland was thinking with the Coyle trade.

Yes Mittelstadt is one dimensional and was having a bad season, but he still had 34 points in 63 games, not to mention 9 points in 11 games last playoffs.

Not sure how you justify swapping him for Coyle, a 33 year old with 22 points on the year, and also giving up a very underrated prospect in Zellers + a 2nd.

Worked out about as well as should have been expected. Coyle was an absolute ghost in the playoffs and not sure he'll be worth his 5.25M salary next year.

Ritchie + 1st for Nelson will also haunt them for years. After trading Mittelstadt and Ritchie there's no solution at 2C for the foreseeable future.

 

[North]

Did we forget Edmonton's 2024 off-season? Just because they're still in the playoffs from beating up their little brother for a fourth year in a row doesn't give them a free pass.

Really? How many horrible trades did they make?

 

[Connor McConnor]

Ripped off Ottawa and took advantage of a cap-strapped Islanders team to get Toews. Curious what "good" moves Avs management has even made other than these 2 trades. Getting lucky on Nichushkin? Blackwood trade is undetermined. He was solid in the RS, not great in the playoffs and seems to be overpaid on a long term deal.

 

[landy]

Ripped off Ottawa and took advantage of a cap-strapped Islanders team to get Toews. Curious what "good" moves Avs management has even made other than these 2 trades. Getting lucky on Nichushkin? Blackwood trade is undetermined. He was solid in the RS, not great in the playoffs and seems to be overpaid on a long term deal.

Barrie for Kadri
Kosmachuk, 2nd, 3rd for Burakovsky
Barron, 2nd for Lehkonen
Shipping Georgiev the f out
Colton for a 2nd
Helleson and a 2nd for Manson
Timmons, 1st, 3rd for Kuemper


This is only trades. Signing/drafting set up everything. Do we regret not payng Kadri and Rantanen? Sure. Find me a team that did it all perfectly.

 

[Louie the Blue]

Really? How many horrible trades did they make?

Letting both Broberg AND Holloway while replacing them with older players who are not as good is a start.

 

[qcal1427]

People yelled at me when I said I didn't like what they did at the deadline!

 

[North]

Letting both Broberg AND Holloway while replacing them with older players who are not as good is a start.

Oh really? Hindsight. Both only started showing something during the playoffs last year and were injury prone.

The Oilers expected to sign them to reasonable deals especially considering the salary cap issues.

The Blues made an astute move but I’d argue those two are still injury prone.

Should the Oilers have matched Holloway? Yes. Broberg at that price? No.

Broberg missed a significant chunk of time during the season and was pretty underwhelming in the playoffs. Holloway didn’t even play in the playoffs.

At least Podkolzin (Holloway replacement) has been useful in the playoffs. Emberson (Broberg replacement)has been uneven but is only a fraction of the cost.

 

[Draiskull]

Its the price you got to pay in cap world.

Avs just couldnt have kept Kadri and Rantanen long term especially with Landeskog eventually returning.
Byram is nothing special.

They are going to be up against the cap next year even before resigning their RFAs and pending UFAs

 

[SpezDispenser]

Sorry, but no one can beat the Dorion years in Ottawa.

 

[Fraser28]

Vancouver Canucks.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I’m admitting that I am as clueless as others, but I find it hard to believe a business that is owned by a billionaire wouldn’t have the resources to vet the background of their personnel thoroughly.

Why take a gamble on an unproven backup when the team is in the middle of their window of contention? Not paying Darcy was the right move, but that doesn’t mean they should have gone after someone as unproven as Georgiev.

Having worked with/for a lot of very wealthy people, I find it hard to believe that even billionaires have the resources to be able to accurately predict the future. I also believe that at least some of Nuke's issues may have stemmed from the broken foot he played on during the Cup finals that year. How many painkillers did it take to play on that foot in game 6? How many more pain killers did he get before/during/after surgery? Obviously, I don't know anything specific about Nuke's situation, but it certainly sounds like the start of a lot of the addiction stories I've heard.

And who was more proven in 2022 that the Avs could have gotten for a similar price (a couple of 3rds and a 5th) and signed for $3.5m AAV or less?

 

[Fraser28]

We are talking about after they won the cup. They had all these assets when they won the cup.

Sakic stopped being the GM after they won.

 

[Draiskull]

Oh really? Hindsight. Both only started showing something during the playoffs last year and were injury prone.

The Oilers expected to sign them to reasonable deals especially considering the salary cap issues.

The Blues made an astute move but I’d argue those two are still injury prone.

Should the Oilers have matched Holloway? Yes. Broberg at that price? No.

Broberg missed a significant chunk of time during the season and was pretty underwhelming in the playoffs. Holloway didn’t even play in the playoffs.

At least Podkolzin (Holloway replacement) has been useful in the playoffs. Emberson (Broberg replacement)has been uneven but is only a fraction of the cost.

Nothing wrong with factoring in hindsight when talking about asset management.
If Necas scored a hatty in game 7 instead of Rantanen this thread would not exist and it would have been how bad the Stars are going to be with a crippling contract.

For Oilers, MacLeod, Foegele, Holloway, Broberg etc had very strong showings where their supposed replacements werent very impressive and are on 4th line or PB. (Arvidsson, Podkolzin, JSkinner etc)

Avs at least gained some cap space where Oilers overpaid in hindsight.

 

[wickedwitch]

Nashville under Trotz, by a lot