Name a team with worse asset management than COL.

[MoneyManny]

Okay, he is more of 2/3D as of now, with #1 potential.

The sabers are an awful team, if he was on any other team, he would be a #1/2

The Sabres aren't even a playoff team, your comment makes no sense.

 

[Patdud]

The concept of “internal Cap” is f***ing dumb. Contracts change over time, if the Bruins had an actual chance of signing Marner for instance this summer for 12 mil and didn’t because then he’d make more than Pasta, who cares?

Not giving Rantanen the most on the team because of an internal cap is just dumb, you going to nickel and dime Makar?

 

[daethfromabove1979]

Kyle Dubas' Leafs were terrible at asset management. Especially when "fixing" previous managements mistakes. Hemorrhaged picks on offloading contracts and band-aide goalie options.

Winner. Dubas has two wins in Toronto:

-Drafting Matthew Knies, the rest of his draft record is pathetic
-Made a great trade to get Jared McCann.. but then just left him unprotected for the expansion draft lol

Everything else he did was a disaster. There's a laundry list of bad trades and signings with him. I feel sorry for Pittsburgh getting this fraud.

 

[roryjones]

This is severe overreaction thread and I get it emotions are high the way you lost but you still have MacKinnon and Makar. Avs will be a playoff team for a while. Maybe not cup contenders but they will make the playoffs. They have a solid cast around their star players as well. The Nelson trade hurts a bit. Was a ton to give up for not much help.

Still clearly not the worst. Go look up buffalo or LA. They keep losing in trades and guys go to other teams to have massive careers.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

How is the issue with the Salary Cap?

They were paying Casey Middlestadt 6 Million per year (Kadri's contract is 7 million per year), and, Bowen Byram's current contract is under 4 million per year.

They were only willing to spend 11.75 on Rantanen instead of 12.

Clearly, if they were willing to spend 6 Million on Middlestadt, they could definitely have spent an extra 1 million on Kadri.


Instead, they are now paying Brock Neslon 6 Million per year and another 5.5 Million to Coyle.

When Kadri signed with Calgary, no one knew that Landeskog was going to miss the next 3 years of hockey, giving the Avs $7.5m in cap space to work with over the next few years. They absolutely made the right choice with the information that they had available at the time.

As for Byram, sure, they could have probably afforded to keep him on his current bridge contract, but what would they do now that he's earned a pretty sizeable raise? And before you talk about trading Girard and keeping him, do you really think Byram would even sign long term with the Avs to play behind Makar and Toews for the foreseeable future?

 

[BB79]

The Sabres.

Well, that was easy.

Next...

 

[landy]

Watch them magically trade Necas, Coyle, and Wood for picks and depth and use that money to give Marner Mikko's deal. This thread will do a complete 180.

Should the Avs be going for a 4 peat right now? Yes, in a perfect world. They made mistakes along the way and had coke problems/injuries. Shit happens.

 

[landy]

When Kadri signed with Calgary, no one knew that Landeskog was going to miss the next 3 years of hockey, giving the Avs $7.5m in cap space to work with over the next few years. They absolutely made the right choice with the information that they had available at the time.

As for Byram, sure, they could have probably afforded to keep him on his current bridge contract, but what would they do now that he's earned a pretty sizeable raise? And before you talk about trading Girard and keeping him, do you really think Byram would even sign long term with the Avs to play behind Makar and Toews for the foreseeable future?

Right Byram wants the f out of Buffalo asap for a team to give him PP1 time.

 

[LemonSauceD]

They could’ve traded Nichuskin, Colton, Wood, Manson, etc and kept Byram/Rantanen and used all the assets they used on Coyle/Nelson to grab Necas.

 

[ponder719]

The Flyers at least deserve a mention for masterclass moments like this, from the Chuckles Reign of Error:

PHX receives: Shayne Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd round pick, 2022 7th round pick
PHI receives: NOTHING

to facilitate

BUF receives: 2021 1st rounder (#13), 2023 2nd rounder, Robert Hägg
PHI receives: Rasmus Ristolainen

That's a 1, 2 2s, a 7, a better defenseman than Ristolainen, and Robert Hägg for Risto, who we then signed to a big contract extension, and who, at this deadline, we declined to trade to placate a coach who got himself fired within weeks, and now Risto's too injured to trade.

 

[Louie the Blue]

When Kadri signed with Calgary, no one knew that Landeskog was going to miss the next 3 years of hockey, giving the Avs $7.5m in cap space to work with over the next few years. They absolutely made the right choice with the information that they had available at the time.

As for Byram, sure, they could have probably afforded to keep him on his current bridge contract, but what would they do now that he's earned a pretty sizeable raise? And before you talk about trading Girard and keeping him, do you really think Byram would even sign long term with the Avs to play behind Makar and Toews for the foreseeable future?

The argument can be made that extending Nichuskin over Kadri was the wrong one at the time if you believe the Avalanche had knowledge of potential issues that he may have been dealing with off the ice.

They were right in letting Darcy leave. Absolutely wrong in trying to have Georgiev be his replacement.

As for how they’ve gone about addressing 2C, I don’t think it’s been the worst way to do it but they are handcuffed as to what they can do. Trading Ratanen was absolutely the wrong move.

 

[SimpleJack]

Kings and Sabers have to be the front runners atm for the dumbest of the dumb.

Avs aren’t that bad at all compared to some of the other teams out there tbh.

 

[Djp]

Colarado went from having one of the most rich and deepest pool of players in Kadri, Rantanen, and Bowen Byram, to cheap depth pieces.

- The AVS chose to not re-sign Nazem Kadri as their #2C for 7 Million.
- Than, they traded a #1/2D in Bowen Byram for 6$ Million #2C Casey Middlestadt
- Now, they didn't want to pay Rantanen an extra 500k per year, and, instead traded him for Martin Necas.


It seems like the AVS front office thought they were playing 4D Chess by nickle and diming their core pieces in Kadri, Rantanen, and, managing the asset in Bowen Byram.

This has to be one of the most negligent waste of assets in recent history. Name a worse display of asset management.

Toronto
Tampa Bay
Florida
Pittsburgh
Edmonton

These all come yo mind

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Fitzgerald has been pretty awful in the last few years

 

[sandis0888]

Punt Nelson's ass out anywhere. Do any Avs want to bring him back?!

CUP win trumps everything and a lot of their lack of success was Nichushkin related too.

Theyll be fine. Next year is tight then theyre back to having money to do whatever they want.

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I think Cup wins trump everything as well which is why I do think not resigning Kadri was the wrong choice for a team that is looking to win Cups.

Obviously the Nuke stuff was not foreseeable so I don't think they deserve any stick for that.

I think my thing is, this was a team that won the Cup and had the chance to keep making deep runs but tried to choose "flexibility" over talent. And in doing so wasted some years of their competitive window. You do not know when injuries or anything else are going to shorten your window suddenly, and I think you've got to strike when you can.

The Avs have spent so many assets trying to replace 2C so when you say they should punt Nelson, that just means they're going to for the fourth year in a row be trying replace the same position.

 

[BB88]

They lost to Dallas. In 7 games. You’re clearly overreacting. They will once again be contenders next year, just like they have been for the last 5 years or so

Overreacting?

You didn’t reply to any of the concerns they have moving forward

Also yes they lost to Dallas, but they lost to Dallas who was without their best Dman and top3 forward. That Dallas roster isn’t a contender

 

[fbuford]

When Kadri signed with Calgary, no one knew that Landeskog was going to miss the next 3 years of hockey, giving the Avs $7.5m in cap space to work with over the next few years. They absolutely made the right choice with the information that they had available at the time.

As for Byram, sure, they could have probably afforded to keep him on his current bridge contract, but what would they do now that he's earned a pretty sizeable raise? And before you talk about trading Girard and keeping him, do you really think Byram would even sign long term with the Avs to play behind Makar and Toews for the foreseeable future?

When Kadri hit UFA who was being paid about 5 million, they also freed up another 5 million dollars that they were paying Burakovsky.

They had enough cap space from letting go of Burakovsky to sign Naz.

They were also paying JT Compher 4 Million to play 3C, they could have definitely traded JT Compher (as he had value) to free up another 4 million.

These were all decisions they made in order to nickel and dime their way out of spending on core players, it is consistent all the way to Rantanen's trade.

 

[landy]

I think Cup wins trump everything as well which is why I do think not resigning Kadri was the wrong choice for a team that is looking to win Cups.

Obviously the Nuke stuff was not foreseeable so I don't think they deserve any stick for that.

I think my thing is, this was a team that won the Cup and had the chance to keep making deep runs but tried to choose "flexibility" over talent. And in doing so wasted some years of their competitive window. You do not know when injuries or anything else are going to shorten your window suddenly, and I think you've got to strike when you can.

The Avs have spent so many assets trying to replace 2C so when you say they should punt Nelson, that just means they're going to for the fourth year in a row be trying replace the same position.

Avs were up against the cap when Kadri needed his deal. If we knew Landeskog would be gone, boom fixed, and by the time he came back, cap increased. But obv its not that easy.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

The argument can be made that extending Nichuskin over Kadri was the wrong one at the time if you believe the Avalanche had knowledge of potential issues that he may have been dealing with off the ice.

They were right in letting Darcy leave. Absolutely wrong in trying to have Georgiev be his replacement.

As for how they’ve gone about addressing 2C, I don’t think it’s been the worst way to do it but they are handcuffed as to what they can do. Trading Ratanen was absolutely the wrong move.

Sure, if you pretend that the Avs should have known that Nuke would get have problems in the future, I guess you could make that argument. You'd be wrong, but you do you.

The bigger mistake in net was believing that Francouz would finally be healthy enough to the be the backup for a whole season.

And trying to find a halfway young 2C who fits the Avs play style and cap situation is easier said than done. The few teams that have a guy like that on their roster aren't going to give him away without getting something great back in return, which is why I thought it was a massive mistake to give up Cal Ritchie. Obviously, he's not ready yet, but long term, he could be exactly what the Avs have needed for years.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I don’t know. Have you guys ever cap dumped Dadonov and lost a 1st rounder because of it, only to use the financial savings from it to sign Michael Del Zotto (who ultimately got bought out after a year)?

 

[Louie the Blue]

Sure, if you pretend that the Avs should have known that Nuke would get have problems in the future, I guess you could make that argument. You'd be wrong, but you do you.

The bigger mistake in net was believing that Francouz would finally be healthy enough to the be the backup for a whole season.

And trying to find a halfway young 2C who fits the Avs play style and cap situation is easier said than done. The few teams that have a guy like that on their roster aren't going to give him away without getting something great back in return, which is why I thought it was a massive mistake to give up Cal Ritchie. Obviously, he's not ready yet, but long term, he could be exactly what the Avs have needed for years.

Can you speak for certainty that they knew nothing when Nuke was extended? I can’t say for certainty they knew nothing.

They brought Darcy in to be a true bell cow goalie and (correctly) let him walk. However, trying to replace him with Georgiev or in a tandem with Francouz wasn’t the right move.

And agreed re: 2C. I don’t have a problem with the approach they took for Johansen or what they’ve done there since Kadri left.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

When Kadri hit UFA who was being paid about 5 million, they also freed up another 5 million dollars that they were paying Burakovsky.

They had enough cap space from letting go of Burakovsky to sign Naz.

They were also paying JT Compher 4 Million to play 3C, they could have definitely traded JT Compher (as he had value) to free up another 4 million.

These were all decisions they made in order to nickel and dime their way out of spending on core players, it is consistent all the way to Rantanen's trade.

In your scenario, where do they get the money for Lehk's raise? Or Nuke's extension? Or do we replace them with league minimum plugs for maximum savings and hope for the best?

 

[Louie the Blue]

When Kadri hit UFA who was being paid about 5 million, they also freed up another 5 million dollars that they were paying Burakovsky.

They had enough cap space from letting go of Burakovsky to sign Naz.

They were also paying JT Compher 4 Million to play 3C, they could have definitely traded JT Compher (as he had value) to free up another 4 million.

These were all decisions they made in order to nickel and dime their way out of spending on core players, it is consistent all the way to Rantanen's trade.

I mean they paid Makar and MacKinnon and Landeskog and Toews. I agree they should have kept Ratanen, but acting as if the Avs really took shortcuts to their roster is a bit disingenuous.

 

[Louie the Blue]

In your scenario, where do they get the money for Lehk's raise? Or Nuke's extension? Or do we replace them with league minimum plugs for maximum savings and hope for the best?

Yeah, I don’t think Kadri leaving is the main thing to criticize the Avs FO about. I think they could have spent money elsewhere better or had traded differently, but they had to either pay Kadri (which I don’t think anyone expected him to continue playing at the level he has in Calgary) or Nuke. They went with the younger of the 2, who may or may not have known issues off the ice at the time.

 

[My3Sons]

They did a good job building a great team but a lesser job maintaining it. Those are two completely different skills. They tried to stay in the "building" phase longer than they needed to and this was the result on some level. As others have noted they have a talented core of players and can fix whatever problems they have and be back next season.