Name a team with worse asset management than COL.

[Gravity]

100% the Kings imo. They went from the best pool in the NHL with still competing set of core pieces to hella mid, hella quick.

 

[fbuford]

Avs have won a Cup in recent years and will be once again contenders next season. Rantanen getting a hatty was the worst thing that coulda happened to the Avs to end their season.

There are waaaaay more teams that made a lot worse decisions that the Avs. I love the deal for the Avs that landed them Necas in that trade. He is an absolute stud.

Also, giving Kadri that contract would have been an awful decision long term and Byram isn’t remotely close to being a top pairing dman

Avs will be one of the favorites to win next year once again

We are talking about after they won the cup. They had all these assets when they won the cup.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Jim Benning traded 29 draft picks in 7 years
he brought in 12
Nobody compares to Jim Benning in asset management
he gave 2nd round picks in damn near every frigan trade, its like he was leaving a tip at a restaurant
"here have a 2nd round pick"

To put this into perspective
jim Benning said and I quote
"Nobody likes draft picks more than me in this league"

Benning got that disease from Chiarelli. The most prominent example being the Seguin trade. Just give up whatever is required to get the target player even if it’s blatantly lopsided in the other team’s favor.

 

[Soundgarden]

Nashville no question, we threw away a perfectly good top 4 defenseman in Fabbro for nothing. Traded Schenn AND Novak for a 4th only to see Schenn get a 2nd by himself, tossed Tomasino, Parssinen, Tolvanen, etc away.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

The Sabres exist.

Yep. 14 year playoff drought with no end in sight speaks for itself.

 

[atlanticobserver]

As a Bolts fan, I won't say that they're the worst (especially because there has only been one really bad trade in the JBB era), and their hands were kind of tied on trading guys who were set to expire as they were chasing cups, but would have been nice to get some kind of returns for Stamkos, Palat, Killorn, Coleman, etc.

I do think Colorado has to be down there near the bottom. Rangers up there too imo. Selling off Kakko the way they did, trading McDonagh and Miller for peanuts, trading for JT Miller in a down year, acquiring Goodrow just to dump him against his will, the Trouba extension, all not great. They did get Adam Fox though, but odds are he only wanted to play for NYR. Preds currently doing a pretty bad job under Trotz. I guess you could really make a case for Buffalo in trading away so many star players (or letting them walk) such as Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, ROR (even though they actually did well in that trade), Hagel, Montour, Skinner, the list goes on.

 

[Roo]

Pierre Engvall 7y

 

[gary559]

Jim Benning traded 29 draft picks in 7 years
he brought in 12
Nobody compares to Jim Benning in asset management
he gave 2nd round picks in damn near every frigan trade, its like he was leaving a tip at a restaurant
"here have a 2nd round pick"

To put this into perspective
jim Benning said and I quote
"Nobody likes draft picks more than me in this league"

Vancouver was the first team I thought of to be honest. They should have been on the up and up but instead we have this.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There's some good stuff in their trade history:

- Cashing in on Newhook looked good at the time and even better now
- The restraint they showed at the deadline from 2018-2021 directly impacted their ability to be aggressive in their cup year (Helleson --> Manson, Barron --> Lehkonen)
- Kadri/Barrie will be remembered for a long time

 

[Machinehead]

They also gave up assets for Ryan Lindgren and there's actually a chance they win game 7 if a replacement level player is in that spot instead of him.

 

[sandis0888]

Avs have won a Cup in recent years and will be once again contenders next season. Rantanen getting a hatty was the worst thing that coulda happened to the Avs to end their season.

There are waaaaay more teams that made a lot worse decisions that the Avs. I love the deal for the Avs that landed them Necas in that trade. He is an absolute stud.

Also, giving Kadri that contract would have been an awful decision long term and Byram isn’t remotely close to being a top pairing dman

Avs will be one of the favorites to win next year once again

I think the worst teams in the league definitely have worse asset management, that makes sense.

But when looking at contenders I do think the Avs have done a really poor job of handling what should have been a team that had a chance to win more than a single cup. I don't think how they handled Rantanen made sense.

And their asset management after the decision to not clear cap space for Kadri was poor. After not keeping him, what they've given up in order to replace Kadri is worse than if they had just signed him.

First they tried a couple of internal options who failed (Newhook), and then they gave up Byram who was a good asset for Mittelstad who flopped for them. Then giving up both a first and their last first round pick for Nelson who was not particularly good in the playoffs.

They paid a lot for Nelson who is exactly one year younger than Kadri, and is a worse player than him and who they may have to sign for probably like 3 years 18 million or have to once again try to find a 2C which as they've illustrated is not that easy.

If they signed Kadri they have him for what has clearly been three pretty solid individual seasons overall in Calgary and they still would have had assets to make other additions over those three years or in upcoming years. Instead they struggled with replacing him for three years and may now replace him for a guy who is basically the same age and worse for a slightly less money and like a year less term at best. That seems like a worse long term decision.

 

[MNRube]

How is the window wide open? Right now it’s barely open but open still

No picks in -25 or -26 draft, no top prospects, no 2C, not that much cap flexibility

They literally don’t have any picks in the 1st 3 rounds of the next 2 drafts. How is that not bad asset management

They traded Byram, top prospect, a 1st trying to addres their 2C and most likely will have nothing to show for it

Chris Johnston just today said they were 0.25M apart before Avs traded Rantanen. Just pay the man 12.5M and be done with it

They lost to Dallas. In 7 games. You’re clearly overreacting. They will once again be contenders next year, just like they have been for the last 5 years or so

 

[DJN21]

Okay, he is more of 2/3D as of now, with #1 potential.

The sabers are an awful team, if he was on any other team, he would be a #1/2

friendly fire much? Glad yall suck now! Jk idc we do suck....see what your post did?! Brought on all the positivity....

 

[kerrabria]

Colarado went from having one of the most rich and deepest pool of players in Kadri, Rantanen, and Bowen Byram, to cheap depth pieces.

- The AVS chose to not re-sign Nazem Kadri as their #2C for 7 Million.
- Than, they traded a #1/2D in Bowen Byram for 6$ Million #2C Casey Middlestadt
- Now, they didn't want to pay Rantanen an extra 500k per year, and, instead traded him for Martin Necas.


It seems like the AVS front office thought they were playing 4D Chess by nickle and diming their core pieces in Kadri, Rantanen, and, managing the asset in Bowen Byram.

This has to be one of the most negligent waste of assets in recent history. Name a worse display of asset management.

Your problem is with the salary cap, not with the Avs' front office.

 

[Chainshot]

There are some teams that lose talent because it's leaking out of an overflowing bucket. And then there are teams who let talent go for whatever reason and are always on the short end of the exchange. Which one is worse?

 

[Bust]

Kyle Dubas' Leafs were terrible at asset management. Especially when "fixing" previous managements mistakes. Hemorrhaged picks on offloading contracts and band-aide goalie options.

 

[fbuford]

Your problem is with the salary cap, not with the Avs' front office.

How is the issue with the Salary Cap?

They were paying Casey Middlestadt 6 Million per year (Kadri's contract is 7 million per year), and, Bowen Byram's current contract is under 4 million per year.

They were only willing to spend 11.75 on Rantanen instead of 12.

Clearly, if they were willing to spend 6 Million on Middlestadt, they could definitely have spent an extra 1 million on Kadri.


Instead, they are now paying Brock Neslon 6 Million per year and another 5.5 Million to Coyle.

 

[Ararana]

It can not be understated how terrible Chris MacFarland is as a GM.

Kroenke had the balls to fire Michael Malone and Calvin Booth from the Nuggets two years after winning a championship, I wish like hell he'd axe both MacFarland and Sakic.


And, yes, I'm an Avs fan.

 

[landy]

Joke thread. The Avs went for it again and arguably had just as good of a roster as 2022. It simply didnt pan out.

Toronto would trade their next decade of picks and prospects for one Cup. The Avs are successful no matter how you slice it and while looking at this core with "only" one Cup is a disappointment, they will be contenders again next year and will have a lot of cap soon. Makar/MacKinnon will bring in talent for another decade of being competitive.

 

[landy]

How is the issue with the Salary Cap?

They were paying Casey Middlestadt 6 Million per year (Kadri's contract is 7 million per year), and, Bowen Byram's current contract is under 4 million per year.

They were only willing to spend 11.75 on Rantanen instead of 12.

Clearly, if they were willing to spend 6 Million on Middlestadt, they could definitely have spent an extra 1 million on Kadri.


Instead, they are now paying Brock Neslon 6 Million per year and another 5.5 Million to Coyle.

You sound like a hater who now has proven to not understand the salary cap. They rented Nelson. He gone.

Rantanen is a rumor. Sure, now in hindsight we wish we signed Kadri but at the time, the cap did not look like it does not. Mittlestadt didnt work out but again, he looked like a 2C then fell off a cliff.

Youre crying about hindsight moves where a lot of teams cant even get teams to waive NMC for them. Close this.

 

[shadow1]

There are plenty of teams. Plenty. But Mother of God, have they bungled the center ice position.

All they had to do was keep Kadri and Compher. Instead:

• 2nd -> Lars Eller
• FC -> Ryan Johansen
• 1st -> to dump Johansen(+rental Sean Walker)
• Bowen Byram -> Casey Mittelstadt
• Mittelstadt, 2nd, William Zellers -> Charlie Coyle
• Cal Ritchie, 1st -> Brock Nelson

In essence, traded Byram, Richie, Zellers, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, all they have to show for it is Coyle under contract.

 

[atlanticobserver]

They lost to Dallas. In 7 games. You’re clearly overreacting. They will once again be contenders next year, just like they have been for the last 5 years or so

But with Landeskog back they now have to clear a lot of space to keep Nelson, and idk where that is going to come from. Kind of seems like an impossibility. They are currently at $94,136,805 with the cap set to go up to $95.5 million. But that means a lot of teams will have more to offer Nelson to go elsewhere. And they have 7 UFAs (including Nelson) and an RFA to sign. A lot of whom are either due raises or will get one because of the increased cap. It's hard to think that the team on paper will look as good as it did this year again.

The problem with calling them contenders for the last 5 years is that they only made it past 6 total playoff wins one time, which is when they won the Cup. That's not really doing much contending. It's not like they're really knocking on the door. If they cannot keep Nelson, they are going to be looking for a 2C, just like they were last year and years before. They have proven it's not that easy to find one.

Just my $0.02, they should have pretty much stood pat once they got Wedgewood and Blackwood. Maybe make the Lindgren trade, idk. But they screwed this up bad.

 

[Breakers]

But I will say

Trading a guy who is 5th ALL-TIME in Playoff Points-per-game (Rantanen)
is absolutely wild

 

[Ararana]

There are plenty of teams. Plenty. But Mother of God, have they bungled the center ice position.

All they had to do was keep Kadri and Compher. Instead:

• 2nd -> Lars Eller
• FC -> Ryan Johansen
• 1st -> to dump Johansen(+rental Sean Walker)
• Bowen Byram -> Casey Mittelstadt
• Mittelstadt, 2nd, William Zellers -> Charlie Coyle
• Cal Ritchie, 1st -> Brock Nelson

In essence, traded Byram, Richie, Zellers, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, all they have to show for it is Coyle under contract.

And on top of everything, they traded one of the best wingers in the league without addressing their biggest weakness on the roster.

Truly remarkable. Avs management deserve every bit of ridicule thrown at them.

 

[landy]

But with Landeskog back they now have to clear a lot of space to keep Nelson, and idk where that is going to come from. Kind of seems like an impossibility. They are currently at $94,136,805 with the cap set to go up to $95.5 million. But that means a lot of teams will have more to offer Nelson to go elsewhere. And they have 7 UFAs (including Nelson) and an RFA to sign. A lot of whom are either due raises or will get one because of the increased cap. It's hard to think that the team on paper will look as good as it did this year again.

The problem with calling them contenders for the last 5 years is that they only made it past 6 total playoff wins one time, which is when they won the Cup. That's not really doing much contending. It's not like they're really knocking on the door. If they cannot keep Nelson, they are going to be looking for a 2C, just like they were last year and years before. They have proven it's not that easy to find one.

Just my $0.02, they should have pretty much stood pat once they got Wedgewood and Blackwood. Maybe make the Lindgren trade, idk. But they screwed this up bad.

Punt Nelson's ass out anywhere. Do any Avs want to bring him back?!

CUP win trumps everything and a lot of their lack of success was Nichushkin related too.

Theyll be fine. Next year is tight then theyre back to having money to do whatever they want.