Value of: My (basically) full list of goalie valuations.
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The Hockey Tonk Man
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So, a goalie playing in back to back cup finals with 2? Years left is traded as a cap dump?
Not understanding that one
Not understanding that one
He is going to be 36 years old next season and makes 10 million dollars. Pretty simple tbh
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
There’s no goalie worth a top 5 pick in any draft. The position is just not that valuable
Djp
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Igor Shesterkin is that 1 guy.
Goaltenders aren't very valuable because of how volatile they are year to year, game to game.
Igor Shesterkin is the only goalie that has played at an elite level in each of the last 3 regular seasons and playoffs
Kochetkov from 12/12 (first game after the team meeting in Vancouver) through the end of the season:
30GS
.923 SV%
2.05 GAA
15.46 NST All Strengths GSAA (#3 in the sample)
3 years left at a $2 mil cap hit. Early 2nd round pedigree.
30GS
.923 SV%
2.05 GAA
15.46 NST All Strengths GSAA (#3 in the sample)
3 years left at a $2 mil cap hit. Early 2nd round pedigree.
Team control is great but there really is a limit for how much unproven goalies go for (it's why they rarely go in the 1st of drafts anymore), and I think he's a tier or 2 below Askarov and Wallstedt
Very promising but a relatively small sample size and hasn't shown it as a true starter yet
Thompson and Ingram, both mid-1st value, have?
You're right I should lump them all in the late 1st tier. Change made. I guess I didn't realize Pyotr made 40+ starts, and for some reason my brain had his contract at like 3 mill
Bouboumaster
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Montembeault is having solid numbers despite playing behind a top 5 worst defensive squad in the league
Hence why I have him as the 11th most valuable goalie (9th among non prospects)
I think you'd find a lot of people a lot lower on Monty than I am.
I think he is very very good
Bouboumaster
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I ain't disputing his placements in your list, quite in the contrary
The dude deserves to be placed where he is, because he's working with one of the worst defensive squad in Habs History and he's actually, somehow, above .900
I would drop every player on that list down 1 tier and keep Igor in the top5 category.
There is too much inconsistency across the board and there is an over saturation at the position.
Look at UPL. He would have been a throw in to a trade last year and now you have him as a mid-1st with his performance this year. Vanacek and Samsonov would have been middle of the pack last year and now they aren't even worth mentioning this year.
There is too much inconsistency across the board and there is an over saturation at the position.
Look at UPL. He would have been a throw in to a trade last year and now you have him as a mid-1st with his performance this year. Vanacek and Samsonov would have been middle of the pack last year and now they aren't even worth mentioning this year.
I would be very very interested in trying to get him in NJD, although I don't think MTL is too eager to get away from another stud french goalie
Bouboumaster
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Without Monty we're basically f***ed lol
Primeau was good last year, but we don't know how consistant he is/is going to be
Djp
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The Don Hughes
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I can't see any goalie holding a top 5 value. Igor is on the verge of making bank and Swayman is a few years away from huge cap hit as well. Only way I could see a top 5 pick being moved for a goalie, is if a team wins the lottery and jumps from 16-15-14-13-12 into the top 5. Otherwise, top 5 teams are usually more than a goalie away from being good.
Forge
Blissfully Mediocre
Semantics, but Markstrom is a B goalie. He's an above average goalie capable of really good stretches like a lot of similar goalies in that tier. He's definitely not in the A tier.
A guy like Vanacek would have been your C and D tier guys
Zirakzigil
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Disagree with most of this. Thinking that the Panther value Bobrovsky as a cap dump is hilarious.
RandV
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I feel like a lot of people create a misconception about goalies when they try to assign a perceived "value" to them. Like lets say Toronto, or any other Cup aspiring team without good goaltending, had the 5th overall pick to play with. So they could just have their pick of any goalie in the league?
Hell no. The thing that puts goalie valuation if is a team only needs 1 starter and if they have a good one they're going to stick with him. This makes the 'buy' price incredibly high - you don't see say a Tampa of recent years suddenly decide to trade Vasilevskiy because they got a really good trade offer for him.
On the other hand, if a team has reason to move on from their goalie, maybe Nashville has a young guy that makes Saros expendable, the 'sell' price of a goalie is much lower than the 'buy' price because there's only a limited number of teams that are going to need a starter right now. How many teams have a need and how much they're willing to pay is going to vary from year to year.
So overall you get this weird dynamic where for a team without it's very hard to acquire quality goaltending but in the rare instance when one is available for trade it's hard for that team to get good value for him.
FissionFire
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Considering Cossa outplayed both Wallstedt and Askarov this season and has similar draft pedigree and projection, is he worth a top 10 pick too?
I think you grossly overvalue unproven prospect goalie values.
I think you grossly overvalue unproven prospect goalie values.
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general agree esp on Shesty as a top pick esp given his current deal, last yr, is like insane 5.6 ish
I wouldn't say he outplayed them, Askarov had 30 wins 6 shutouts, 2.39GA and 911% while Cossa had 22 wins 2 shutouts, 2.41 and 913%
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