Proposal: MTL & OILERS

[John Mandalorian]

Ceci, Kulak and a 27’ first to Chicago for something and a 27’ 4th

Why 2027? Are you expecting Edmonton to implode?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Why 2027? Are you expecting Edmonton to implode?

No just spreading out first rounders for the future for the hawks

 

[wetcoast]

You seem to be under the impression that ceci has anything other than extremely negative value. You should reassess before attempting any more trade evaluations.

We will agree to disagree here as Ceci is a perfectly serviceable second pairing RHD, perhaps you should reassess your scouting POV?

Nothing makes sense about trading Barron for Ceci, that’s a terrible trade for Montreal

That may be your viewpoint, my point is that it was a much more reasonable trade than what the OP presented.

You agree with that right?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

We will agree to disagree here as Ceci is a perfectly serviceable second pairing RHD, perhaps you should reassess your scouting POV?


That may be your viewpoint, my point is that it was a much more reasonable trade than what the OP presented.

You agree with that right?

Anytime someone uses the word "serviceable" it means said player can be put in a role temporarily, but is not suited to it.

Ceci is a bottom pairing dman at this stage.

Holloway is a serviceable 3rd line forward. But he's better suited to the 4th line.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

That os like... Horrible for the Habs lol...

Barron value is more than EDM 2bd

And itll cost EDM a loooootttt more to unload Ceci than a 3rd lol

See Monahan.

If EDM aren't willing to part with their 2026 1st we get it, bjt we won't help them either


Oilers fans need to realise that when you are trading from a position of weakness, in this case a terrible one, you'll lose the deal. You ain't getting a fair deal to keep your young players my guy lol.

Best Habs will do is

Ceci
1st 2026

For

future cons

See Monahan

Stupid hab post number two. Lol ceci makes 3 million on an expiring contract and he just helped the Oilers to game seven of the finals but sure the oilers need to attach a first to get rid of him. Gms aren't as dumb as posts like this suggest they wont intentionally pass on a player who could help them because they think they have a squeeze opportunity. Barrons a nothing prospect that will never return a second.

 

[wetcoast]

That os like... Horrible for the Habs lol...

Barron value is more than EDM 2bd

And itll cost EDM a loooootttt more to unload Ceci than a 3rd lol

See Monahan.

If EDM aren't willing to part with their 2026 1st we get it, bjt we won't help them either


Oilers fans need to realise that when you are trading from a position of weakness, in this case a terrible one, you'll lose the deal. You ain't getting a fair deal to keep your young players my guy lol.

Best Habs will do is

Ceci
1st 2026

For

future cons

See Monahan

I'm not an Oilers fan and like someone said upthread if the Oilers need to free up cap space they can find a better deal than the OP's offer.

 

[Prairie Habs]

We will agree to disagree here as Ceci is a perfectly serviceable second pairing RHD, perhaps you should reassess your scouting POV?


That may be your viewpoint, my point is that it was a much more reasonable trade than what the OP presented.

You agree with that right?

The type of serviceable second pairing D that gets healthy scratched in the playoffs? Yeah, teams will be lining up for that.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Anytime someone uses the word "serviceable" it means said player can be put in a role temporarily, but is not suited to it.

Ceci is a bottom pairing dman at this stage.

Sure if three years is the new definition of temporary. The guy has played the top four role for three consecutive years seeing his team win six rounds.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Sure if three years is the new definition of temporary. The guy has played the top four role for three consecutive years seeing his team win six rounds.

And was a complete disaster the past 2 x years in that second pairing. The team won playoff rounds despite Ceci!

 

[wetcoast]

Anytime someone uses the word "serviceable" it means said player can be put in a role temporarily, but is not suited to it.

Ceci is a bottom pairing dman at this stage.

no by serviceable I mean that he is middle of the pack for a second pairing Dman, doesn't need to be sheltered, in fact he takes heavy defensive zone starts and is a decent 2nd pairing guy, just doesn't being much offense but then again most #4 type of Dmen don't.

Holloway is a serviceable 3rd line forward. But he's better suited to the 4th line.

Holloway has lost some development time and ahs speed to burn and also has some offensive skills, too early to write him off as a 4th liner IMO.

To put it another way he is currently a better player and asset than Joshua Roy.

And was a complete disaster the past 2 x years in that second pairing. The team won playoff rounds despite Ceci!

Do you have any idea on his deployment?

He eats defensive zone starts so a guy like Bouchard can get extra offensive zone starts.

Perhaps look and evaluate players in context?

 

[GhostfaceWu]

And was a complete disaster the past 2 x years in that second pairing. The team won playoff rounds despite Ceci!

Big part of the best Pk in a any playoff year but sure. In not even a fan of ceci but this rhetoric of him being negative value and a complete disaster shows low IQ posts with an agenda. How do you win that many rounds in three years and be a top team in the west for there straight years by being a disaster? He could go back to his ottawa level of play and hed still bring value at his contract.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Big part of the best Pk in a any playoff year but sure. In not even a fan of ceci but this rhetoric of him being negative value and a complete disaster shows low IQ posts with an agenda. How do you win that many rounds in three years and be a top team in the west for there straight years by being a disaster? He could go back to his ottawa level of play and hed still bring value at his contract.

Mcdavid. Period.

no by serviceable I mean that he is middle of the pack for a second pairing Dman, doesn't need to be sheltered, in fact he takes heavy defensive zone starts and is a decent 2nd pairing guy, just doesn't being much offense but then again most #4 type of Dmen don't.

Holloway has lost some development time and ahs speed to burn and also has some offensive skills, too early to write him off as a 4th liner IMO.

To put it another way he is currently a better player and asset than Joshua Roy.


Do you have any idea on his deployment?

He eats defensive zone starts so a guy like Bouchard can get extra offensive zone starts.

Perhaps look and evaluate players in context?

Ceci is a bottom pairing dman. Suddenly Oiler fans are acting like he’s a solid 2nd pairing when there is a chance they need to dump him for capspace. If he was a true 2nd pairing dman, he wouldn’t be considered as a guy to move.

 

[wetcoast]

Mcdavid. Period.

What Draisaitl doesn't exist now?

Ceci is a bottom pairing dman. Suddenly Oiler fans are acting like he’s a solid 2nd pairing when there is a chance they need to dump him for capspace. If he was a true 2nd pairing dman, he wouldn’t be considered as a guy to move.

Frankly no one cares about your opinion that he is a bottom pairing Dman because he simply isn't.

The facts are that his usage has been of a second pairing Dman for the last 3 years for the Oilers.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

Mcdavid. Period.

McDavid plays defense AND carries the PK too? Man, he sure is incredible.

 

[Just Linda]

Chicago is a better dance partner for Ceci than Montreal. He'd be able to play minutes in Chicago without taking away time from key pieces in development.

Now, if Edmonton threw in a second, I'd take Kulak off your hands.

Kulak
Edmonton 2nd

For future considerations

 

[Slats432]

Interesting how two players that helped the Oilers to the Final have to have a 1st attached to move them even on decent salaries. If that is the case, take the 2nd for Broberg and move on.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Mcdavid. Period.


Ceci is a bottom pairing dman. Suddenly Oiler fans are acting like he’s a solid 2nd pairing when there is a chance they need to dump him for capspace. If he was a true 2nd pairing dman, he wouldn’t be considered as a guy to move.

Ah yes one player did it all he played goal keeper and all six defender spots. Everytime something needs to fit a narrative people like you come up with something. There is large disparity between being a bottom paring defender and requiring a first for another team to take you on when you make 3 million a year bud

 

[Junohockeyfan]

What Draisaitl doesn't exist now?


Frankly no one cares about your opinion that he is a bottom pairing Dman because he simply isn't.

The facts are that his usage has been of a second pairing Dman for the last 3 years for the Oilers.

if Ceci is a bonafide 2nd pairing dman, why are Ouler fans desperately looking for an upgrade?

 

[habsfan44]

The exact amount of cap space they need (assuming Kane is LTIR'd or gone) is the caphit of Barron, who's also a RD (which they are in a shortage of, having to play Broberg, an LD, on his offside because of Nurse/Ekholm/Kulak at LD.)

Simplify things:

Barron
2025 5th round pick

In exchange for

Ceci
2025 3rd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

The 2025 3rd for 5th round pick swap is merely due to the Oilers not having a 2025 2nd, and their picks being late round.

Depending on how things go, Mtl can then hope to maybe get another mid-round pick for Ceci at the TDL (2nd or 3rd rounder likely), whereas the Oilers are getting cost certainty for 2 years for a young RD that could still pan out into a 2nd pair role under a new system.

Ekholm Bouchard
Kulak Barron
Nurse Broberg


Multiple mid-round picks are a lot more palatable while getting younger on the back-end to try & keep both Broberg & Holloway, should they decide to do so.

This trade solves a lot of problems for the Oilers in the present and foreseeable future , while any benefit to the Habs if any , won't be know for a minimum of three to five years or more . I have to question why Montreal is jumping through hoops to help the Edmonton organization ? It makes no sense from a re-building teams perspective , GMKH would never agree to this proposal .

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Ah yes one player did it all he played goal keeper and all six defender spots. Everytime something needs to fit a narrative people like you come up with something. There is large disparity between being a bottom paring defender and requiring a first for another team to take you on when you make 3 million a year bud

I agree that normally a 3M bottom pairing dman would not require a 1st as a sweetener. There was speculation that it would cost upwards of a 1st based on GMs putting the screws to Bowman. I didn’t come up with that.

 

[wetcoast]

if Ceci is a bonafide 2nd pairing dman, why are Ouler fans desperately looking for an upgrade?

Those 2things aren't mutually exclusive are they?

It was also a Habs fan with the OP and there is that salary cap thing so they need to move a salary that has value.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Those 2things aren't mutually exclusive are they?

It was also a Habs fan with the OP and there is that salary cap thing so they need to move a salary that has value.

Why move a so called 2nd pair RHD (a dire position of need) when they could dump a forward instead- a position of strength? Be honest with yourself…. Answer this question!

Here is the answer: oiler fans want to dump Ceci because he’s an overpaid bottom pairing dman!

 

[wetcoast]

Why move a so called 2nd pair RHD (a dire position of need) when they could dump a forward instead- a position of strength? Be honest with yourself…. Answer this question!

Ask the OP that question but my guess is that a guy like ceci has more value in a trade for the receiving team, ie they can get the benefits of his leadership and eating Big Minutes and defensive zone starts and still get a decent return at the trade deadline as a rental.

ask yourself which forward they should move then?

oiler fans want to dump Ceci because he’s an overpaid bottom pairing dman!

They are obviously thinking this as they have a younger guy with great skating and size in Broberg and people thinking about moving Ceci are the ones thinking about keeping broberg which is now a problem due to the offer sheets.

Without the offer sheets the Oilers probably wouldn't be looking to move Ceci.

 

[McVespa99]

You seem to be under the impression that ceci has anything other than extremely negative value. You should reassess before attempting any more trade evaluations.

You seem to be under the impression that you know a lot about hockey. You should re-assess before making any more posts.

 

[pth2]

The exact amount of cap space they need (assuming Kane is LTIR'd or gone) is the caphit of Barron, who's also a RD (which they are in a shortage of, having to play Broberg, an LD, on his offside because of Nurse/Ekholm/Kulak at LD.)

Simplify things:

Barron
2025 5th round pick

In exchange for

Ceci
2025 3rd round pick
2026 2nd round pick

The 2025 3rd for 5th round pick swap is merely due to the Oilers not having a 2025 2nd, and their picks being late round.

Depending on how things go, Mtl can then hope to maybe get another mid-round pick for Ceci at the TDL (2nd or 3rd rounder likely), whereas the Oilers are getting cost certainty for 2 years for a young RD that could still pan out into a 2nd pair role under a new system.

Ekholm Bouchard
Kulak Barron
Nurse Broberg


Multiple mid-round picks are a lot more palatable while getting younger on the back-end to try & keep both Broberg & Holloway, should they decide to do so.

I had a similar thought of Ceci and picks for Barron, though I thought two seconds were more likely.
I'd try and extend Savard by a season and plan on renting off Ceci at the deadline.