Proposal: MTL-NYR 1st overall swap

[Sasha Orlov]

Maybe if NYR gets another 1st overall and includes that as well I’d consider it

 

[lakeshirts37]

I'd take Lafrenière in Montréal, but not at the cost of Slafkovsky, that's for sure

Slaf's second half Seasons was crazy, he ain't going anywhere unless he ask for it

You can flip the names and teams here and its also an accurate statement. I think both teams are happy with their guys

 

[bernmeister]

When you're trading from an area of depth you don't trade the top 2 pieces. Barron is replaceable, but if we move Guhle and Popcorn the strength of our team being our young D suddenly becomes extremely mediocre. We would either need to trade other premium assets to recoup our lost D or go back to tanking and start drafting D again, either of which obviously cripples our rebuild.

It would be like saying goaltending is NYR's strength, so they can afford to trade Shesterkin to overpay for a local kid.

1. If you have enough depth and the return warrants it, you trade as much as you need to do the deal while it still remains profitable

If you don't think you have enuf depth that is a separate ?, fair to raise, but it is a discussion, not a given.

2. Rs should trade Shesty for a haul esp since there is a decent chance Garand will be good and Rs need to recover from stupid win now mistakes; they should do that regardless of where the return is from [i.e., home grown or otherwise], but only if signif profit from overpay

But is the goal to finding similar value or realistic trades? Besides the entire premise is that Montreal gets a French player. That's a dumb reason for Montreal to make the trade much less the Rangers.

That is not exactly the entire premise.
And rarely do clubs make similar value trades [coke for pepsi] unless it happens to serve a complementary need [lefty for righty similar talents].
Deals are made to improve, in totality of everything including cap, talent, etc.

Howev, LaF will command a premium to any Canada based team b'c he is a 1OA w/charisma = marketing $$$$$.
It will not be same scale as McDavid, of course, but that aspect of it is similar.
In case of Habs + Sens, who have many Quebec natives in their jurisdiction, the French thing is a plus

 

[SamHabsFan]

When you're trading from an area of depth you don't trade the top 2 pieces. Barron is replaceable, but if we move Guhle and Popcorn the strength of our team being our young D suddenly becomes extremely mediocre. We would either need to trade other premium assets to recoup our lost D or go back to tanking and start drafting D again, either of which obviously cripples our rebuild.

It would be like saying goaltending is NYR's strength, so they can afford to trade Shesterkin to overpay for a local kid.

I absolutely would not do this trade, but the habs have so much good young D that, they could have a pretty good D Squad even without Guhle, Reinbacher and barron... I would draft levshunov / yakemchuk / Parekh at 5th


Matheson-Levshunov
Hutson-Savard (Engstrom in 1 year)
Xhekaj - Mailloux

Obviously it is basically impossible that Guhle and Reinbacher are traded together but if it would mean that we could get a better player than Necas/Zegras, I would entertain the idea of trading one of the 2.

 

[Schennanigans]

I don’t see either wanting to do that.

 

[GAGLine]

Why do the mods allow these obvious troll threads? Laf to Montreal threads should be an instant infraction.

 

[TGWL]

Both teams are happy with what they currently have. Lock the thread.

 

[Mersss]

NO
LaF fully turned the corner
not enuf benefit in Slaf approaching coke for pepsi territory

I was right, and Habs fans said no, but I still say LaF only to canada based team paying top $ in currency Rs want.
Here that remains Guhle + Reinbacher + Barron for LaF + Robertson

So a 22 yo top pairing D
A top2 D prospect in the NHL
A #5-6 RHD with potential to become a #4

For

A 2nd line winger

Yah no. Habs ain't even trading Guhler for Laf

 

[Qwijibo]

1. If you have enough depth and the return warrants it, you trade as much as you need to do the deal while it still remains profitable

If you don't think you have enuf depth that is a separate ?, fair to raise, but it is a discussion, not a given.

2. Rs should trade Shesty for a haul esp since there is a decent chance Garand will be good and Rs need to recover from stupid win now mistakes; they should do that regardless of where the return is from [i.e., home grown or otherwise], but only if signif profit from overpay





That is not exactly the entire premise.
And rarely do clubs make similar value trades [coke for pepsi] unless it happens to serve a complementary need [lefty for righty similar talents].
Deals are made to improve, in totality of everything including cap, talent, etc.

Howev, LaF will command a premium to any Canada based team b'c he is a 1OA w/charisma = marketing $$$$$.
It will not be same scale as McDavid, of course, but that aspect of it is similar.
In case of Habs + Sens, who have many Quebec natives in their jurisdiction, the French thing is a plus

Lol. It wouldnt even be the same scale as Taylor Hall. He has charisma? Really? I doubt I could pick him out of a lineup. This false narrative you have that Canafain teams would pay a premium fir him because of his draft pedigree and his country of birth is just ridiculous

 

[Qwijibo]

So a 22 yo top pairing D
A top2 D prospect in the NHL
A #5-6 RHD with potential to become a #4

For

A 2nd line winger

Yah no. Habs ain't even trading Guhler for Laf

But but, he's canadian and there's hardly any Canadians in the league so canadian teams will gut their franchises to get him, apparently

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Laf is playoff tested and very playoff experienced at a young age. Slaf ate against shit competition on a shit Montreal team that cheats for offense and gives up 5 a game.

Not interested

 

[bud12]

Laf is playoff tested and very playoff experienced at a young age. Slaf ate against shit competition on a shit Montreal team that cheats for offense and gives up 5 a game.

Not interested

 

[Hins77]

Lafreniere is 3 years older. He got 57 points, Slaf 50 and he is 3 years younger. do you you imagine how Slaf will become? His progression curve is almost vertical. No way Montreal do that. Slaf is becoming a monster at 6 ft 3

 

[SlafySZN]

Rough start to their career? Slaf just scored 50 points in his 19 yrs old season…

 

[Tanknation]

Please close. Useless post. Habs would never do this.

 

[TBF1972]

Yet, he didn't play with a 120pts player right?

laf plays with breadman and trochek
slaf plays with caufield and suzuki

will you take the bait and throw caufield and suzuki under the bus?

 

[TBF1972]

I absolutely would not do this trade, but the habs have so much good young D that, they could have a pretty good D Squad even without Guhle, Reinbacher and barron... I would draft levshunov / yakemchuk / Parekh at 5th


Matheson-Levshunov
Hutson-Savard (Engstrom in 1 year)
Xhekaj - Mailloux

Obviously it is basically impossible that Guhle and Reinbacher are traded together but if it would mean that we could get a better player than Necas/Zegras, I would entertain the idea of trading one of the 2.

this would be the worst d-core in the league. you can't even form two pk duos out of it.

 

[bud12]

laf plays with breadman and trochek
slaf plays with caufield and suzuki

will you take the bait and throw caufield and suzuki under the bus?

Are they on Panarin level?

 

[TBF1972]

Are they on Panarin level?

is trochek better than caufield?

36 vs 51 even strength points and panarin had more than a third of his points on the pp without lafreniere. you can't make any reasonable argument for slaf to be laf's equal last season without throwing his linemates under the bus. this is also no problem as slaf is more than two years younger.

i just don't see any indication for the much higher ceiling.

 

[CanadienShark]

1. If you have enough depth and the return warrants it, you trade as much as you need to do the deal while it still remains profitable

If you don't think you have enuf depth that is a separate ?, fair to raise, but it is a discussion, not a given.

2. Rs should trade Shesty for a haul esp since there is a decent chance Garand will be good and Rs need to recover from stupid win now mistakes; they should do that regardless of where the return is from [i.e., home grown or otherwise], but only if signif profit from overpay





That is not exactly the entire premise.
And rarely do clubs make similar value trades [coke for pepsi] unless it happens to serve a complementary need [lefty for righty similar talents].
Deals are made to improve, in totality of everything including cap, talent, etc.

Howev, LaF will command a premium to any Canada based team b'c he is a 1OA w/charisma = marketing $$$$$.
It will not be same scale as McDavid, of course, but that aspect of it is similar.
In case of Habs + Sens, who have many Quebec natives in their jurisdiction, the French thing is a plus

No it's not, stop saying this. Slafkovsky has far more personality and is already loved in Montreal. We do not care about Lafreniere. Once again, nobody will overpay for him just because he's Canadian. We do not give a f***.

 

[Kimota]

I would do Caufield for Lafreniere though but I don't think Rangers fans would.

 

[bud12]

is trochek better than caufield?

36 vs 51 even strength points and panarin had more than a third of his points on the pp without lafreniere. you can't make any reasonable argument for slaf to be laf's equal last season without throwing his linemates under the bus. this is also no problem as slaf is more than two years younger.

i just don't see any indication for the much higher ceiling.

I'm not trowing his linemates under the bus at all. They are simply not on Panarin level. Not even close in fact. Even with a third of his pts on the pp, it's still 75pts at es witch is near equal to Suzuki total production . Not only that but Slaf didnt even play a full season with them. Mtl will gladly keep Slaf even if he doesn't speak french.

 

[mr figgles]

Rangers laugh. Habs laugh harder.

 

[TBF1972]

I'm not trowing his linemates under the bus at all. They are simply not on Panarin level. Not even close in fact. Even with a third of his pts on the pp, it's still 75pts at es witch is near equal to Suzuki total production . Not only that but Slaf didnt even play a full season with them. Mtl will gladly keep Slaf even if he doesn't speak french.

i don't argue against keeping slaf

i just wouldn't call slaf having a much higher ceiling a fact

 

[bernmeister]

So a 22 yo top pairing D
A top2 D prospect in the NHL
A #5-6 RHD with potential to become a #4

For

A 2nd line winger

Yah no. Habs ain't even trading Guhler for Laf

disingenuous
setting aside Robertson, who you did not mention, is a partial defray vs Barron, it is LaF now for Guhle now + Rein who is not getting here for upwards of a yr and a half

"2nd line W" implies he is only that now. Many think he could be a first line W on most teams.

And you have a right to disagree.
But "Habs ain't even trading Guhler for Laf"
is imo crazy
LaF >>> Guhle