Proposal: MTL & NJ

[Xirik]

So let me get this straight.

Casey > Hutson
Casey > Mailloux
Nemec > Mailloux
Nemec > Hutson
* Suzuki shouldn’t be on a first line
* Caufield shouldn’t be on a first line
* Slaf is only a potential first liner if all goes well
* Montreal coach sucks

However, when I look at line-ups I see Mercer and Palat in the Devils top 6. I see Lehkonen as a first liner in Colorado and O’Connor on a 2nd line. I see Rodrigues on a first line and Bennett as a 2C on a cup champion. I see Mikkola and Kulikov on a contender top 4.

Ya’ll have unrealistic expectations as what a top 6 and top 4 should be in a league with a hard cap.

I think from now on I’m just going to blindly agree with all the (always the same) Habs hater takes;

- Hutson is nothing special and doesn’t know how to defend
- Suzuki is a 2C
- Caufield is best suited for the 2nd line
- If all goes well for Slaf, he may or may not become a first liner
- Guhle is just ok. Probably a #4 on a real contender
- There is no alternate universe where Demidov might even become half as good as Michkov
- Savard doesn’t hold any value. Maybe a 4th?
- Evans is a borderline 4C in this league.
- Reinbacher shouldn’t even have been a first round pick. If we’re lucky, he will become an OK #4.

Am I missing anything?

-Casey and Hutson are close ATM. I don't think this was a controversial statement, Unless Mailloux suddenly does a 180 and really fixes his skating and terrible defense then Casey AND Hutson are better then him
-Nemec is definitely better then Mailloux and you know that. But if you honestly believe different go make a poll
-Nemec and Hutson are very different defenseman I think Hutson has harder road to hit his ceiling. I don't think this is a controversial statement.

-Suzuki is the only center on the Habs and hard to know what he is. sometime's he looks like a great 1C and other times he looks like a fringe 1C
- Top two lines are pretty interchangeable in hockey. Caufield is definitely not a 3rd liner
-Slaf will probably be a 1st liner and even if he isn't he brings a unique style that is needed in the playoffs
-Guhle is on an island by himself surrounded by crap defensemen who can't play defense or young rookies.
- I think Michkov is better but Half as good? nah. If some Hab's fans didn't spend the year before denigrating Michkov on the main boards then probably there'd be less trolls talking down Demidov.

-Savard is making Hutson look bad, He definitely isn't worth a 1st
-Evans is one of the best 4C's in the league
- Reinbacher at the moment looks like a defensive shutdown defenseman, They are needed on any team, They rarely get picked in the top 5 anymore cause of how the NHL is moving towards points points points.


Perhaps you shouldn't throw everyone in the "Habs hater" bubble. Some of them stated things that are turning out to be true.
1. Hab's probably aren't going to be in the playoff race
2. The rebuild will take longer as prospects have ups and downs and not every good or great prospect turns out how they should
3. The team would hurt from having traded away some of their talent from last season.
4. SKA has a terrible coach.

 

[Baksfamous112]

-Casey and Hutson are close ATM. I don't think this was a controversial statement, Unless Mailloux suddenly does a 180 and really fixes his skating and terrible defense then Casey AND Hutson are better then him
-Nemec is definitely better then Mailloux and you know that. But if you honestly believe different go make a poll
-Nemec and Hutson are very different defenseman I think Hutson has harder road to hit his ceiling. I don't think this is a controversial statement.

-Suzuki is the only center on the Habs and hard to know what he is. sometime's he looks like a great 1C and other times he looks like a fringe 1C
- Top two lines are pretty interchangeable in hockey. Caufield is definitely not a 3rd liner
-Slaf will probably be a 1st liner and even if he isn't he brings a unique style that is needed in the playoffs
-Guhle is on an island by himself surrounded by crap defensemen who can't play defense or young rookies.
- I think Michkov is better but Half as good? nah. If some Hab's fans didn't spend the year before denigrating Michkov on the main boards then probably there'd be less trolls talking down Demidov.

-Savard is making Hutson look bad, He definitely isn't worth a 1st
-Evans is one of the best 4C's in the league
- Reinbacher at the moment looks like a defensive shutdown defenseman, They are needed on any team, They rarely get picked in the top 5 anymore cause of how the NHL is moving towards points points points.


Perhaps you shouldn't throw everyone in the "Habs hater" bubble. Some of them stated things that are turning out to be true.
1. Hab's probably aren't going to be in the playoff race
2. The rebuild will take longer as prospects have ups and downs and not every good or great prospect turns out how they should
3. The team would hurt from having traded away some of their talent from last season.
4. SKA has a terrible coach.

- Casey and Hutson are not close at the moment. I’m not sure what the big deal is to accept that reality.

- Mailloux needing to work on his D? Maybe. Although he’s been doing very good in the A, he hasn’t shown it in the big league yet. he was timid with and without the puck in Montreal this year and was pushed off the puck too easily while being a strength in the A. One thing I know for sure is his skating is one of his best asset. The fact that you mention that tells me you have no idea who Mailloux is as a player

- I agree that Nemec is on another level to Mailloux. Nothing outrageous here

- Hutson and Nemec are two different type of D as well. Hard to judge as you said

- Suzuki had 77 points as a 24 years old on a rebuilding team completely deprived of offensive talent. On pace for 82 this year as a 25 years old. Also 2x in top 10 of selke votes already. I’m not sure what else you want from him.

- Slaf is already at worst a low end 1st liner and he’s 20…

- I agree about Guhle. Not an easy situation to be in.

- The chances that Demidov becomes a better hockey player than Michkov is as good as Michkov ending up being the better. It’s a coin toss.

- Your are really underrating the fact that practically no RHD are available and almost every team needs one. Savard is definitely getting a 1st if traded at the deadline.

- Evans has been putting up 3C numbers for the past 3 years. I’m not sure why he wouldn’t be considered as one.

- Much like Mailloux, you probably haven’t seen Reinbacher play at all. There is definitely offense in his games. He’s probably never going to run a PP1 (especially with Hutson on the team) but he can generate offense for sure. His short stint in the AHL at the end of last year as an 18 years old proved that. He doesn’t stand out but does everything well. Think Devon Toews… but bigger.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So let me get this straight.

Casey > Hutson
Casey > Mailloux
Nemec > Mailloux

IMO
Casey >= Hutson
Casey >> Mailloux
Nemec > Mailloux

Nemec > Hutson

I would probably take Hutson, but they are different players.

* Suzuki shouldn’t be on a first line

He's more of a 2C on a contender, but he's fine as a 1C on Montreal

* Caufield shouldn’t be on a first line

He's for sure a 1st line caliber goal scorer

* Slaf is only a potential first liner if all goes well

He's played like a high end 2nd line PWF for the last 11 months, I think it's unlikely he doesn't peak as a 1st line winger

* Montreal coach sucks

I've been very complimentary of St Louis, he's been great for their young players IMO.

I think from now on I’m just going to blindly agree with all the (always the same) Habs hater takes;

- Hutson is nothing special and doesn’t know how to defend

I've been extremely complimentary of his game:

Obviously he's not the best defensive player but that's hardly controversial

- Suzuki is a 2C

On a cup contender, ideally you have a better C than Suzuki. Hes a low end 1C / high end 2C.

- Caufield is best suited for the 2nd line
- If all goes well for Slaf, he may or may not become a first liner
- Guhle is just ok. Probably a #4 on a real contender
- There is no alternate universe where Demidov might even become half as good as Michkov
- Savard doesn’t hold any value. Maybe a 4th?
- Evans is a borderline 4C in this league.
- Reinbacher shouldn’t even have been a first round pick. If we’re lucky, he will become an OK #4.

Never said any of that

Am I missing anything?

Facts?