Proposal: Mtl-min

[Oleg Petrov]

MTL: Trades Plekanec $6.0 until 17-18

MIN: Trades Koivu $6.75 until 17-18


It's an Expansion related trade, while keeping both teams competitive. Both Players are very similar in terms of production and use, Koivu has a bit more size and grit while Plekanec is a better skater who is a bit more durable.

I think overall, Koivu is the better player, but his No Move Clause requiring protection in expansion diminishes his value somewhat. This helps Minny because they can leave Plekanec exposed instead of either protecting Koivu or buying him out and Montreal can accommodate the move as they have a good share of protection spots available.

How far off am I?

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[Dickie Dunn]

Are you proposing this as a summertime trade pre-expansion draft or as a trade that would be made today? Wild are playing well and I think this would be too much disruption to what seems to be at times a pretty fragile dressing room.

Value for value it's fair and the idea of exposing Plekanec is clever.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Value for value it's fair and the idea of exposing Plekanec is clever.

And the very reason Montreal will probably keep him.

 

[57special]

As a hockey trade, it's not bad for the Wild, but not good.

Taking all the other factors into consideration, it's highly unlikely it gets done.

Koivu might ( though it's unlikely)be persuaded to drop the NMC so we don't have to protect him for the LV draft, with the understanding that we wouldn't trade him anywhere else. I'm pretty sure the MK would not waive to go to MTL and compete against the memory of his brother.

Losing a popular player like Captain Koivu who has been with the team his entire career for a player like Plekanec is not going to play well to the players, or the fans.

Koivu played every game last year, btw. Not sure how much more durable you can get.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

As a hockey trade, it's not bad for the Wild, but not good.

Taking all the other factors into consideration, it's highly unlikely it gets done.

Koivu might ( though it's unlikely)be persuaded to drop the NMC so we don't have to protect him for the LV draft, with the understanding that we wouldn't trade him anywhere else. I'm pretty sure the MK would not waive to go to MTL and compete against the memory of his brother.

Losing a popular player like Captain Koivu who has been with the team his entire career for a player like Plekanec is not going to play well to the players, or the fans.

Koivu played every game last year, btw. Not sure how much more durable you can get.

Some good stuff here. Good for constructive debate anyhow.

Here are my assumptions on Minny's no moves. Suter and Parise are protected no matter what. Pominville is a more expensive buy-out and longer then Koivu, so Koivu seems like the logical Player to approach with the following options:

1) Waive your no move for expansion or we'll buy you out
2) Waive your no move for a Trade to MTL or we'll buy you out

I think in this scenario he chooses option 2 as he would not, at this point in his career choose to go to an expansion Club over a contender. I also think that the Saku factor may play a part in convincing him to waive, but that's just me.

As for durability, it's slight but Tomas has played 245 of 246 reg season games in the last 3 seasons while Mikko has played 227 of 246.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

And the very reason Montreal will probably keep him.

Not sure I agree.

They currently will protect

Price

Weber
Petry
Beaulieu

Galchenyuk
Gallagher
Pacioretty
Shaw
3 of Danault, Mitchell, Plekanec, Radulov, Carr, Andrighetto, Byron

Throw Koivu in there as a required player and it doesn't impact much.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Are you proposing this as a summertime trade pre-expansion draft or as a trade that would be made today? Wild are playing well and I think this would be too much disruption to what seems to be at times a pretty fragile dressing room.

Value for value it's fair and the idea of exposing Plekanec is clever.

I think off-season it works too. But, as I stated, I feel Koivu to be ever so slightly better and would think that MTL would want to do it earlier for that reason. At the end I think it benefits Minny more than Montreal in the overall, but benefits MTL more in the short term on the ice.

 

[Wabit]

The small cap gain and losing a NMC is nice.

But trading away your C for a relatively equal player, might not sit well. Koivu's FO abilities would be missed, late in games especially.

Think the Wild pass on this one.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

The small cap gain and losing a NMC is nice.

But trading away your C for a relatively equal player, might not sit well. Koivu's FO abilities would be missed, late in games especially.

Think the Wild pass on this one.

Plekanec is a C as well.

 

[57special]

Some good stuff here. Good for constructive debate anyhow.

Here are my assumptions on Minny's no moves. Suter and Parise are protected no matter what. Pominville is a more expensive buy-out and longer then Koivu, so Koivu seems like the logical Player to approach with the following options:

1) Waive your no move for expansion or we'll buy you out
2) Waive your no move for a Trade to MTL or we'll buy you out

I think in this scenario he chooses option 2 as he would not, at this point in his career choose to go to an expansion Club over a contender. I also think that the Saku factor may play a part in convincing him to waive, but that's just me.

As for durability, it's slight but Tomas has played 245 of 246 reg season games in the last 3 seasons while Mikko has played 227 of 246.

I think you're wrong, he would pick option 1, because;

- he would explain through his agent to LV management that he will not re-sign with them after his one year( and at 6.75M, no less) is up. I also don't see it being a very smart play for Vegas to pick an expensive player who is heading into his final years.

- in the event that it came down to a choice between the two, I think it likely he would ( and his wife) would like to try soemthing exotic like the desert rather than yet another northern climate. Finland, Minneapolis, Montreal? Give the guy a break!

 

[Wabit]

Plekanec is a C as well.

C as in Captain.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

C as in Captain.

Doh - Makes sense.

 

[Runner77]

Not sure I agree.

They currently will protect

Price

Weber
Petry
Beaulieu

Galchenyuk
Gallagher
Pacioretty
Shaw
3 of Danault, Mitchell, Plekanec, Radulov, Carr, Andrighetto, Byron

Throw Koivu in there as a required player and it doesn't impact much.

Radulov is on a one year deal, he doesn't need to be protected.

Team has soured on Andrighetto, they waived him not so long ago and no one claimed him. How is he an asset worth protecting? Mitchell is worthless.

Will they really want to protect Plekanec who is no better than a third line center at this point, with that bloated salary? He's a draft repellent.

Could see Danault, who has upside. Maybe one of Carr and Byron. Shaw is a third line player who has too much term and is overpaid -- not sure he's even worth protecting.

Bottom line, the Habs protection list gets pretty thin once you get past the top 7 on your list. If anything, Habs have enough bottom feeders on its potential protection list that it can afford to add talent that other teams may otherwise have to expose.

 

[10coach*]

Wild say no as Mikko is the better player by a good bit and they are trying to win.

 

[Tripod]

Some good stuff here. Good for constructive debate anyhow.

Here are my assumptions on Minny's no moves. Suter and Parise are protected no matter what. Pominville is a more expensive buy-out and longer then Koivu, so Koivu seems like the logical Player to approach with the following options:

1) Waive your no move for expansion or we'll buy you out
2) Waive your no move for a Trade to MTL or we'll buy you out

I think in this scenario he chooses option 2 as he would not, at this point in his career choose to go to an expansion Club over a contender. I also think that the Saku factor may play a part in convincing him to waive, but that's just me.

As for durability, it's slight but Tomas has played 245 of 246 reg season games in the last 3 seasons while Mikko has played 227 of 246.

Ummm....why would he not just say "ok....buy me out". He gets 2/3 of his money owed then can sign another deal with a team he chooses.

As long as he gets a deal worth 2.25, he makes the same money as he would have if not bought out.

 

[gwh]

Here are my assumptions on Minny's no moves. Suter and Parise are protected no matter what. Pominville is a more expensive buy-out and longer then Koivu, so Koivu seems like the logical Player to approach with the following options:
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Koivu had a team leading season last year, leads the franchise in every category. Not going anywhere especially since he only has 1 year left.

Pomminville is the buyout this summer.

 

[BatVader]

And the very reason Montreal will probably keep him.

Only a moron GM would expose Plekanec, so maybe your right about Bergevin doing it. Pleky is a reliable 50+ point producer, considered one of the best 2-way centres in the game, and a proven team first guy.
The lack of value Habs fanboys give Plekanec is funny.
But, sure, trade him away.

 

[nickschultzfan]

This would be a PR nightmare for the Wild for zero upside. East pass.

 

[ryan callahan]

Value wise it's fair but I can't see why would the Wild or the Canadiens move a player that has been true to their respective team since the start of their career. Also both team are doing really well, so why trade top 5 forwards for each team just to mess with chemistry. Easy pass for both team.

 

[TT1]

Value wise it's fair but I can't see why would the Wild or the Canadiens move a player that has been true to their respective team since the start of their career. Also both team are doing really well, so why trade top 5 forwards for each team just to mess with chemistry. Easy pass for both team.

Maybe for a change of scenery type thing, Mikko is the better player so i'd definitely do it.

 

[Moose Head]

As a Hab fan I'd do this trade without hesitation. Plekanec looks off. I think he's aging badly. That said, if Koivu has a NMC I doubt he'd waive to go to Montreal. He's heard the stories from his bro. Add in the inevitable comparisons and I don't think he'd want to deal with that type of crap.

 

[Stormcrow]

Ya, I think both teams keep their guy but Kudos for thinking outside the box!! good to see. We need more creative ideas regarding expansion and protection like this. Good job OP

 

[Nharris31]

Koivu had a team leading season last year, leads the franchise in every category. Not going anywhere especially since he only has 1 year left.

Pomminville is the buyout this summer.

Pominville is not getting bought out.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Radulov is on a one year deal, he doesn't need to be protected.

Team has soured on Andrighetto, they waived him not so long ago and no one claimed him. How is he an asset worth protecting? Mitchell is worthless.

Will they really want to protect Plekanec who is no better than a third line center at this point, with that bloated salary? He's a draft repellent.

Could see Danault, who has upside. Maybe one of Carr and Byron. Shaw is a third line player who has too much term and is overpaid -- not sure he's even worth protecting.

Bottom line, the Habs protection list gets pretty thin once you get past the top 7 on your list. If anything, Habs have enough bottom feeders on its potential protection list that it can afford to add talent that other teams may otherwise have to expose.

So you agree. Adding Koivu won't hurt them.

 

[Oleg Petrov]

Koivu had a team leading season last year, leads the franchise in every category. Not going anywhere especially since he only has 1 year left.

Pomminville is the buyout this summer.

Pominville will count heavily for 4 years against the cap. Don't see it happening.