Proposal: Mtl / LA

[ChaoticOrange]

I never said that. Evans played 3C the whole year after Dach went down and I called him a good 3C, which I think he is on a contender. If he’s your 4C on a playoff team, you’re in good shape.

About the bolded; So is Evans. He’s elite defensively who can put up ~30 points a year. The fact one is 24 or 27 or 35 doesn’t matter when you’re on a playoff run. You’re in the moment. No team would say “Wow McLeod still has untapped potential” when they’re about to play game 5-7 of the SCF. It doesn’t matter just like age won’t matter in April. You want to win, not develop.

For the last part, no, there’s practically no difference, not when both players put up very similar numbers all across the boards. There’s no valid argument that Evans would have done worst or better than McLeod in the playoff. It probably would have been a wash and make no difference whatsoever for Edmonton.

Based on what? His underlying stats aren't good, his GF/GA isn't good. Montreal's PK that he was on for significant time was terrible. He isn't overly physical. What makes him elite defensively? Being 52% on faceoffs? You look into McLeod's numbers and you can see why he's got a reputation for being defensively elite.

If you don't think age plays significantly into player value I simply can't help you. Teams look at a guy like McLeod as a longterm piece that can help them for years to come. That's why Buffalo paid such a high price for him. Evans is strictly a rental.

Role and team success also matters significantly. Playing 3C on a team that's just happy if they didn't lose by multiple goals and a team that was one win away from a Cup is a whole different world.

 

[Rorschach]

Byfield isn't counting?

Just because the freaks play him as winger doesn't mean he isn't actually 1C

He's played 0 seasons as a 1C. That doesn't mean he can't emerge but until he does...

 

[Baksfamous112]

Based on what? His underlying stats aren't good, his GF/GA isn't good. Montreal's PK that he was on for significant time was terrible. He isn't overly physical. What makes him elite defensively? Being 52% on faceoffs? You look into McLeod's numbers and you can see why he's got a reputation for being defensively elite.

If you don't think age plays significantly into player value I simply can't help you. Teams look at a guy like McLeod as a longterm piece that can help them for years to come. That's why Buffalo paid such a high price for him. Evans is strictly a rental.

Role and team success also matters significantly. Playing 3C on a team that's just happy if they didn't lose by multiple goals and a team that was one win away from a Cup is a whole different world.

We are not talking about value here but rather their respective play. You said Evans have no business being a 3C and I showed you he’s very comparable to the 3C you had on a SCF run last year in pretty much all category. What team they’re playing for is irrelevant.

“His underlying stats and GF/GA isn’t good” he literally was -1 on a -52 goal differential team, what are you even talking about? His underlying stats for his deployment and comp are pretty good for a 3C - again, very comparable to McLeod who you called defensively elite

I don’t know what Evans value is but it doesn’t really matter because the only way he gets traded is if they are out of the playoff at the TDL - and during that time of the year sometimes it gets crazy and team overpay for pieces. If all Evans can get at the TDL is a 3rd I can guarantee you he’s staying put

 

[ChaoticOrange]

We are not talking about value here but rather their respective play. You said Evans have no business being a 3C and I showed you he’s very comparable to the 3C you had on a SCF run last year in pretty much all category. What team they’re playing for is irrelevant.

“His underlying stats and GF/GA isn’t good” he literally was -1 on a -52 goal differential team, what are you even talking about? His underlying stats for his deployment and comp are pretty good for a 3C - again, very comparable to McLeod who you called defensively elite

I don’t know what Evans value is but it doesn’t really matter because the only way he gets traded is if they are out of the playoff at the TDL - and during that time of the year sometimes it gets crazy and team overpay for pieces. If all Evans can get at the TDL is a 3rd I can guarantee you he’s staying put

He's not going to be a 3C on a good team when he wasn't posting strong numbers on an awful one. I don't know why that concept is so difficult for you. you see it all the time, X player from crap team goes to a better one with more depth and their role is lessened.

Plus minus is as garbage a stat as there is, and no, his underlying numbers aren't remotely comparable to McLeod. McLeod, with nothing linemates, was able to push the pace and put up strong underlying numbers, and Evans... well. Didn't.

Maybe actually look into them instead of just assuming something is true when it's not.

I can guarantee you if you're expecting a return akin to what McLeod got, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[Baksfamous112]

He's not going to be a 3C on a good team when he wasn't posting strong numbers on an awful one. I don't know why that concept is so difficult for you. you see it all the time, X player from crap team goes to a better one with more depth and their role is lessened.

Plus minus is as garbage a stat as there is, and no, his underlying numbers aren't remotely comparable to McLeod. McLeod, with nothing linemates, was able to push the pace and put up strong underlying numbers, and Evans... well. Didn't.

Maybe actually look into them instead of just assuming something is true when it's not.

I can guarantee you if you're expecting a return akin to what McLeod got, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

That is a bunch of horse excrements and you know it. Anyway, whatever you say go chief. Mcleod = good and Evans = bad

Montreal would be lucky to get a mid round pick for this dude.

 

[Reaper45]

I don't think we have much room to get all high and mighty since "Cammalleri and a 2nd" was a staple on our boards for half a decade

On our board. Not all over every other board.