Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

[jfhabs]

You’re not getting it. Most hawks fans, myself included, are absolutely fine if Dach turns into a 70 point center. it’s fine. He wasn’t working out here, and we’re excited about the players we drafted. The really weird thing is some Habs fans insistence that we should be regretting the trade even though we don’t, and how upset they get that we’re depriving them of that satisfaction.

That's fair, but at the same time, shouldn't you be a bit concerned with management if you're certain Dach can't develop in Chicago, but can elsewhere?

The Habs are rebuilding too and he's recently played his best hockey driving his own line. Way from Suzuki and Caufield. Small sample size, I know.

Why didn't he work out in Chicago you think?
Big fan of Richardson btw, I think it was a great signing. So much better then Tocchet and Maurice.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Dach picked 3rd overall was a bad pick at the time already.

Chicago did well to move on from him. Nazar is going to be a good one, me thinks.

 

[hawksrule]

That's fair, but at the same time, shouldn't you be a bit concerned with management if you're certain Dach can't develop in Chicago, but can elsewhere?

The Habs are rebuilding too and he's recently played his best hockey driving his own line. Way from Suzuki and Caufield. Small sample size, I know.

Why didn't he work out in Chicago you think?
Big fan of Richardson btw, I think it was a great signing. So much better than Tocchet and Maurice.

If Dach turns into the player we hoped he’d be when he was drafted, then yeah, absolutely, Chicago would need to do the forensics.

He was an enigma in Chicago. Good skater, good passer, muffin shot, routinely left himself vulnerable to getting clobbered. Didn’t use his big body like we would have hoped. Coach called out his work ethic. We saw all the potential on fat one, but he was no better at the end of year 3.

LR may be okay, who knows. Team has no talent and runs the same systems as my nephews in Timbits.

 

[viceroy]

Most of us fans remember the promise (Dach) had and it's similar to Fantilli today

Hmmm... Not a big fan of Fantilli, he's the player I like the least from the top prospects of '23.

Lower body huh. Could be hip or foot or groin or leg or knee or achilles or hernia or anything really.

I know others have said this but listen, Frank Nazar suffered an injury in October. An injury that would require an operation. It would also preclude him from playing the entirety of this season. All this is verified, CHI has admitted to all of this. So we know that he's out for 8-11 months. So what injury requires surgery and that much healing and rehab? Most probably a serious knee injury. We're not just pulling this out of our asses.

The hawks decided they would trade the low ceiling player in Dach for the opportunity to draft someone they liked in that 13 range. The 18 year old kid has 4 years to put up the whopping career high 32 points Dach has.

The one thing I almost never hear Hawks fans mention is Dach's serious wrist injury. Did you expect the damage to be permanent? Did you believe that it hampered his development? Did you think he was milking his injury to excuse his poor performances?

I honestly wonder because I believe the Habs have properly scouted his and Monahan's hip surgeries and believe it worked out great for us.

 

[CDN24]

Despite that awful pass to Eller, player 61 aka Raphael Diaz is the gift that keeps on giving.
Diaz to Canucks for Weise, Habs get a couple good years out of Weise and then Weise and a guy acquired on a PTO (fleishman) to Hawks for Phil Danault and The pick to draft Romanov. 5+ great years from Danault a couple years of Romanov and then flip Romanov and a couple picks in 2 trades to land Dach.

Other than letting Danault walk as a UFA its a master class in asset management for the Habs.

 

[Mersss]

did Montreal claim a trade win for the Andrew Shaw trade before Debrincat played a game?


You dont know the injury.

No, But we know the length of the absence (whole season)
And as I work is the same sport in the medical field I know it only means as very few selected options.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Right now it looks like Dach will end up being a Chris Gratton type player. Or maybe even a Murray Craven.
Both of those guys were tall centers who had very good careers.

Gratton was also a 3rd overall selection.
Craven was 17th overall.

Unfortunately I believe the Blackhawks thought they were getting Ryan Getzlaf.

Maybe Dach lives up to his potential and does become a monster on the ice. I'd be happy for him if he does.

If he does end up like Gratton, that's not so bad. At least he didn't turn out to be a Chad Kilger (4th overall.)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hmmm... Not a big fan of Fantilli, he's the player I like the least from the top prospects of '23.

Interesting. I'm fairly high on him.

 

[BHawk21]

Hmmm... Not a big fan of Fantilli, he's the player I like the least from the top prospects of '23.



I know others have said this but listen, Frank Nazar suffered an injury in October. An injury that would require an operation. It would also preclude him from playing the entirety of this season. All this is verified, CHI has admitted to all of this. So we know that he's out for 8-11 months. So what injury requires surgery and that much healing and rehab? Most probably a serious knee injury. We're not just pulling this out of our asses.



The one thing I almost never hear Hawks fans mention is Dach's serious wrist injury. Did you expect the damage to be permanent? Did you believe that it hampered his development? Did you think he was milking his injury to excuse his poor performances?

I honestly wonder because I believe the Habs have properly scouted his and Monahan's hip surgeries and believe it worked out great for us.

I didnt expect anything because I am not a doctor and have no idea the extent of any injury these guys have. There's so many factors to all these injuries and why some guys sit out and some guys go play right away. You would have to be NUTS to claim to know the ins and outs of injuries.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Nazar had sports hernia surgery

 

[OG Eberle]

Zero horses in this race whatsoever, but as a registered and practicing health care professional who works with NHL/NFL/Olympic/etc athletes...

If someone came to me and said an ice hockey player sustained a "lower body injury" and that it "required surgery" and "they would be out 8+ months" and asked me to guess/diagnose what it was...

...I'd tell them that there is absolutely zero way to make any professional or meaningful guess as to what it is. And anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke out their ass.

Everyone loves to assume its musculoskeletal (i.e. muscle, bone, ligament, tendon, etc), but there doesn't seem to be any indication that it couldnt be an infection, systemic, disease, conditions, etc... There's a litany of things it could be, whether it be post MSK injury or even not involving that at all.

Your mindless speculation (or to the bold people saying "facts") is absolute insanity and erodes any credibility you may have had.

 

[BHawk21]

Dach could be Galchenyuk or Strome. He could also be Pierre Luc Dubios. Hell maybes hes Brady Tkachuk.

The Blackhawks leaned Galch or Strome after 150 games and got good value. Hopefully they get a Suzuki or Jarvis or Barzal in return.

 

[waffledave]

Why would you care if I care?

This is a message board. People make posts and other people comment on those posts.

Oh no! Habs fans are saying they WON THE TRADE!!!! HOW DARE THEY!

 

[BHawk21]

Oh no! Habs fans are saying they WON THE TRADE!!!! HOW DARE THEY!

Oh no Blackhawks fans dont think Dach is great and are fine with the trade. It goes both ways.

 

[BHawk21]

No, But we know the length of the absence (whole season)
And as I work is the same sport in the medical field I know it only means as very few selected options.

making stuff up in the medical field is a bad look

 

[waffledave]

To be fair there's a very good chance Nazar simply had season ending constipation.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

did Montreal claim a trade win for the Andrew Shaw trade before Debrincat played a game?


You dont know the injury.

LOL are you a little bitter? Accept the fact that Montreal’s gamble is paying off with Dach showing all kinds of promise. Big, strong, fast and can dominate. And on a team friendly contract to boot.

Good luck with Nazar. Hopefully he will get healthy someday.

 

[BHawk21]

LOL are you a little bitter? Accept the fact that Montreal’s gamble is paying off with Dach showing all kinds of promise. Big, strong, fast and can dominate. And on a team friendly contract to boot.

Good luck with Nazar. Hopefully he will get healthy someday.

Yes, we should have kept Dach instead of signing Domi. It would have helped with the tank.

 

[Captain97]

Close but no. Generational means once in 5-10 years to me. Not one per draft.

1. To most people franchise ans generational are different calibers of player.

2. Ovi is without a doubt a generational player. He is currently 2nd all time in goals scored and will likely be first before he retires.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Yes, we should have kept Dach instead of signing Domi. It would have helped with the tank.

Time will tell. The most underrated part of the Dach acquisition was the contract Hughes signed him on. That will be the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Chelios]

No, But we know the length of the absence (whole season)
And as I work is the same sport in the medical field I know it only means as very few selected options.

You don’t know what you are talking about.

It was reported in October that he was going to need surgery for the injury. Which suggests it was something he was trying to play through but couldn’t. If he had surgery in October, then it is not really concerning at all that he is still out, as any number of issues surgically dealt with would still be rehabbing at this time. Again, the speculation is a sports hernia, in which case it is not surprising at all that he is still out.

 

[Mersss]

making stuff up in the medical field is a bad look

It's pure logic.

There's very few injuries that makes an athlete miss an entire year of sport. ACL, Achilles, Meniscus bucket handle tear, complete tear of the tib-fib ligament (so very sever high ankle sprain) requiring surgey. Sports hernia don't require a whole year off. Hell even a full torn MCL is a 6month ish rehab.

 

[ottawa]

That's fair, but at the same time, shouldn't you be a bit concerned with management if you're certain Dach can't develop in Chicago, but can elsewhere?

The Habs are rebuilding too and he's recently played his best hockey driving his own line. Way from Suzuki and Caufield. Small sample size, I know.

Why didn't he work out in Chicago you think?
Big fan of Richardson btw, I think it was a great signing. So much better then Tocchet and Maurice.

Why would they be concerned, sometimes players just don't work out.

Chicago has a great history of developing players, whereas we don't...look at how many failed prospects have come and gone through the habs pipeline over the last couple of decade.

I believe we've had the least amount of drafted players in our roster over that timespan.

 

[Mersss]

You don’t know what you are talking about.

It was reported in October that he was going to need surgery for the injury. Which suggests it was something he was trying to play through but couldn’t. If he had surgery in October, then it is not really concerning at all that he is still out, as any number of issues surgically dealt with would still be rehabbing at this time. Again, the speculation is a sports hernia, in which case it is not surprising at all that he is still out.

Sports hernia don't take 6months to heal.

 

[BHawk21]

It's pure logic.

There's very few injuries that makes an athlete miss an entire year of sport. ACL, Achilles, Meniscus bucket handle tear, complete tear of the tib-fib ligament (so very sever high ankle sprain) requiring surgey. Sports hernia don't require a whole year off. Hell even a full torn MCL is a 6month ish rehab.

Logic needs truth. You are speculating.