Proposal: MTL/CBJ/TOR 3-way

[JackieMoon]

Armia had 7 goals last year, 1 this year and a career high of 16. He absolutely can not play on Columbus's 3rd line. Every single player on our when healthy 4th line has out scored him and plays on the penalty kill. Robinson, Kuraly, and Texier. What does Jarmo being Finnish have to do with anything? And again Jackets have players to resign. They're not paying a horrendous 4th liner $3.4 for three more years. The Toronto 5th will be near the end of the round ditto Tampa's 4th. This trade makes Columbus worse for years.

Armia can play 3rd line, your finnish GM will like him, he was great in our playoff run last year.

For UFA Domi you get two picks, a solid prospect from TOR (he's way underrated) and a solid roster player signed medium term. Why would you complain?

 

[Canadienna]

Armia can play 3rd line, your finnish GM will like him, he was great in our playoff run last year.

For UFA Domi you get two picks, a solid prospect from TOR (he's way underrated) and a solid roster player signed medium term. Why would you complain?

Because the picks are late, the prospect's a long shot and the roster player is a cap dump.

 

[Viqsi]

Armia can play 3rd line, your finnish GM will like him, he was great in our playoff run last year.

That doesn't help us this year. Or next year. We've got veterans who can play that way.

And if you have to resort to the bolded, you've already lost. Kekalainen is not exactly known for his nationalistic approach to roster building. Quite the opposite, actually.

Also, literally in the post immediately prior to this one you fatally undercut your own argument:

Getting rid of Armia is a win any way you slice it

If getting rid of him is an unqualified win for Montreal (a team in worse shape than we are), why would he be any better for the Jackets?

For UFA Domi you get two picks, a solid prospect from TOR (he's way underrated) and a solid roster player signed medium term. Why would you complain?

Because the picks are nigh useless, the player isn't solid anymore and is overpaid for too long, and the prospect doesn't add significantly to our pool. Keep in mind that we're expecting something like two 2nds or a 1st for Domi at the deadline with retention, particularly after how the Foligno and Savard trades worked out. This package doesn't measure up.

 

[Habs10025]

To Columbus:
Joel Armia $3.4M (3 more years)
Nick Abruzzese
Toronto's 5th 2023
Tampa Bay's 4th 2022 (from MTL)

To Toronto:
Max Domi $5.3M (UFA) -- 50% retained by CBUS, 50% retained by MTL

To Montreal:
Toronto's 3rd in 2023
William Villeneuve

Montreal clears long term salary, CBUS gets something for UFA Domi, and Toronto gets better for the playoffs + obvious Domi connection.

Montreal can absorb Ritchie's contract if this still doesn't work for Toronto's cap

No.

 

[Habs10025]

Montreal reject this trade.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Why on earth would Toronto want Domi?

Because it's an upgrade and you get him for nothing in that deal.

Toronto is the one team who get something in that deal lol

Montreal and Colombus reject that

 

[seanlinden]

Don't really see why Montreal is involved in this deal to the extent that they are...

Make it much simpler:

To Toronto:
Domi @25%

To Montreal:
Ritchie
-25 % of Domi's Salary
Toronto 3rd 2023

To Columbus:
Toronto 2nd

 

[Oddbob]

Why would Mtl retain on a deal for not even a 3rd round pick? They get a 3rd and low end "prospect" in Villeneuve, while giving up a 4th and Armia? Montreal can probably get a 4th by trading Armia. Giving up a 4th to get a 3rd lessens that 3rd round pick by a lot. Toronto also gives up very little to a get a double 50% retention player who is a decent add, considering they gave up nothing to get him.

 

[Oddbob]

Because he's not a good or consistent player, and is on his 3rd team already at the age of 26. If any GM had half a brain, they'd stay FAR away from that guy.

For this price though, that is a steal to add a player that may click with TO.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Jackets say no

 

[Funk21]

To Columbus:
Joel Armia $3.4M (3 more years)
Nick Abruzzese
Toronto's 5th 2023
Tampa Bay's 4th 2022 (from MTL)

To Toronto:
Max Domi $5.3M (UFA) -- 50% retained by CBUS, 50% retained by MTL

To Montreal:
Toronto's 3rd in 2023
William Villeneuve

Montreal clears long term salary, CBUS gets something for UFA Domi, and Toronto gets better for the playoffs + obvious Domi connection.

Montreal can absorb Ritchie's contract if this still doesn't work for Toronto's cap

Toronto is not trading Nick Abruzzese, Villeneuve and a third and 5th for a Munchin who walks as a UFA in the offseason. Sure Domi has some sandpaper but no thanks.

Truthfully about the only player I think the TML should be looking at from any of these two non playoff teams should be Savard. He is big, physical and exactly what we lack. The issue is he costs too much and by all accounts been terrible this year. Mind you so has most of the Habs player. I obviously like Chariot too but the ask for one playoff run is too high in my books.

 

[Holymakinaw]

For this price though, that is a steal to add a player that may click with TO.

Maybe on paper, sure.

But in real life? No. He's nowhere close to having the kind of character you need for the playoffs. He's a head-case who's already been sent to three different teams.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Because it's an upgrade and you get him for nothing in that deal.

Toronto is the one team who get something in that deal lol

Montreal and Colombus reject that

LOL. Yeah Toronto gets "something" alright........a crap player with questionable character. What a deal.

I agree that in a Playstation format, the deal would be fine. In real life? No.

 

[ole ole]

Don't really see why Montreal is involved in this deal to the extent that they are...

Make it much simpler:

To Toronto:
Domi @25%

To Montreal:
Ritchie
-25 % of Domi's Salary
Toronto 3rd 2023

To Columbus:
Toronto 2nd

That's still a huge NO from the Habs.
Want to make it easier. Leave the Habs out of the deal period.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I am guessing Toronto does this deal so Nick Ritchie has a center in the AHL? Domi is not unseating any of Toronto's centers or anyone on their left wing.

 

[Bouboumaster]

LOL. Yeah Toronto gets "something" alright........a crap player with questionable character. What a deal.

I agree that in a Playstation format, the deal would be fine. In real life? No.

Still by far the best player of the deal, and he's not bad at all, especially on your 3rd line lol, what are you talking about?
At least it's not shit like Habs receive, or like Colombus

 

[Xoggz22]

Honestly can't comment on value but from a CBJ standpoint, there is no value to moving a UFA and taking back a player with term unless said player is going to be young with upside and that's not happening with Domi. CBJ is looking to create space for young wingers to compete for, not clog another 2 years with a redundant player.

Domi will be moved for a pick or multiple lower picks. CBJ will gladly retain to improve the picks. I would venture that CBJ will try to work a similar path to Savard and Foligno last year but including a 3rd team to further sweeten the pot for a higher pick. This deal is a non-starter for Columbus.

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs would have zero interest in Domi and the circus that would be sure to follow.

 

[Morgs]

No interest in Max for free.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

From the leafs I wouldnt take domi for free.

 

[Brad C]

Leafs would have zero interest in Domi and the circus that would be sure to follow.

Let's hope so.

 

[beowulf]

Every team wins

-Toronto improves without giving up a ton.
-Montreal clears cap and gets a pick/prospect
-CBUS gets some pieces for a UFA who will leave

And why does MOntreal worry about cap space exactly?

 

[cwede]

Leafs not creating much 'pain' for themselves to add a guy who'd get top 8 minutes

Leafs not paying much for lots of retention - retention is a value 'asset' since each team is subject to a maximum of 3 simultaneous retains

unfortunately a guy like Armia has lower value when his contract is >$3M - the league has ~100 depth F guys who can be effective up/down lineup, many for well less (and quite a few for even more ...)

Columbus def deserves stronger return,
Habs return is meh, maybe ok, but also quite easily declined