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Proposal: MTL & CANUCKS
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It's obvious you haven't seen Mailloux play, the second coming of Markof but Mailloux maybe better on skates with Weber's deadly shot. And has leaned from his outside of rink problem, he's also very aware itr's going to stay with him where ever he goes. This young man does have a concience and that makes him a much stronger mental person today and an example for other young men, he's a keeper.
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no , in the trade it says that if the Oilers make the FC it becomes Oilers 2rd 2023, so we loose the 2022 2rd if that happen
Geekie - Nazar wouls be my targets , long shot is Lambert but he should not be available at #15
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I'm not good with it. Not in this draft. Not yet anyway
I think there is a drop off after 18/19
Dropping 11 spots is throwing away a great opportunity to snag a very good player. I would entertain it if the remaining players of that 2nd tier are not desirable. Would be a draft floor trade
Canucks are not in a quantity vs quality position. We still need a top3 D and a young quality 2/3 C in the system rather desperately
I think there is a drop off after 18/19
Dropping 11 spots is throwing away a great opportunity to snag a very good player. I would entertain it if the remaining players of that 2nd tier are not desirable. Would be a draft floor trade
Canucks are not in a quantity vs quality position. We still need a top3 D and a young quality 2/3 C in the system rather desperately
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It would depend who is available at 15 for me
Even worse thinking thw Habs would handicap their cap of 5M$ when Price is LTIRetired on someone else's team
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15th spot is not a sure shot NHL player for a long career. Higher % than late 1st yes but it's not as big of gap as you are pretending it to be. There is a chance someone hits with a pick from 25-30 and he's better than who goes at the 15th spot.
These types of trades depend on each teams draft board for a specific draft year. Very hard to evaluate as fans cause we are not scouts and we don't know each teams draft boards and where they feel the drop in talent is.
no spot is a sure shot nhl player. That doesn't mean you take less than market value to lessen your odds at a better player.
Would Montreal trade down 1 to 15 for the Canucks 3rd + 4 + 5th + 6 + 7th? #1 isnt guaranteed to be a NHL player and theres a chance you hit at 15 and miss at #1.
Obviously thats not a reason to just take a bunch of meh quantity over quality.
If you look at precedent moving up 2-3 spots costs a 3rd round pick. So for Montreal to move up from 26 to 15 it would cost a minimum 3 3rd round picks value.
Per another poster:
| Moving Up: | Detroit Red Wings | Moving Down: | Dallas Stars | ||||
| Acquired: | 15th (1st) | Sebastian Cossa | Acquired: | 23rd (1st) | Wyatt Johnston | ||
| 48th (2nd) | Artem Grushnikov | ||||||
| 138th (5th) | Jack Bar |
| Moving Up: | Minnesota Wild | Moving Down: | Edmonton Oilers | ||||
| Acquired: | 20th (1st) | Jesper Wallstedt | Acquired: | 22nd (1st) | Xavier Bourgault | ||
| 90th (3rd) | Luca Munzenberger |
| Moving Up: | New York Ranger | Moving Down: | Calgary Flames | ||||||
| Acquired: | 19th (1st) | Braden Schneider | Acquired: | 22nd (1st) | Traded | ||||
| 72nd (3rd) | Jeremie Poirier | ||||||||
| Moving Up: | Washington Capitals | Moving Down: | Calgary Flames | ||||||
| Acquired: | 22nd (1st) | Hendrix Lapierre | Acquired: | 24th (1st) | Connor Zary | ||||
| 80th (3rd) | Jake Boltmann |
OP offer is an easy no from the Canucks. 26 + 33 maybe gets it done as its comparable to last year's deal of 15 for 23 + 48 + 138
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During these beginning stages of a rebuild, shouldn’t Montreal be keeping all of their picks instead of using them to move up?
I would much rather have to throw three darts from 10 feet out than throw one from 6 feet out, especially when it’s not exactly life or death to hit the bullseye.
I would much rather have to throw three darts from 10 feet out than throw one from 6 feet out, especially when it’s not exactly life or death to hit the bullseye.
Except Montreal isn’t offering 3 pieces of equal value. It’s 1 dart 6 feet out vs 1 dart 10 ft out + 1 dart 20 feet out + 1 dart 50ft out.
The odds of hitting those 20 and 50 ft are so low it’s not worth the extra attempts if the first one can be almost 50% closer than your closest attempt
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This chart - I get its just one persons work. Shows a drop off of about 10% in a player playing more than 100 NHL games based on the draft positions in this thread. The numbers are slightly more for players over 200 games and even more when looking at impact players.
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If the Habs lost the Oilers 2rd then it becomes the habs 3rd pick at #65
What did you mean then by the bolded in the following?
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Have a look at how many picks the Habs have in this years draft and next years. Habs have too many picks so moving up if they could makes sense to add more quality to there pool.
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Agreed. Only for a guy like Nazar, Gauthier, Lekkerimaki or Lambert. But we all know probably none of them will still be on board at 15. If it is for another player HuGo want, I hope they get another late 1st or early 2nd buy trading Petry. There will be pretty good offensive RHD at those spots, which we badly needs.
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Try again.
You forgot that the Wild get a compensatory second-round draft pick as a result of not signing D Filip Johansson.
That would be terrible for the Canucks so I’ll go out on a limb and assume this is posted by a Habs fan.
Edmontons 2nd will be close to the 3rd round. Adding a 3rd and 5th doesn’t next to nothing value wise. Canucks conciliation price for missing the playoffs is a mid 1st. A spot you can realistically draft a solid player and you want them to move it for near worthless spare parts?
Edmontons 2nd will be close to the 3rd round. Adding a 3rd and 5th doesn’t next to nothing value wise. Canucks conciliation price for missing the playoffs is a mid 1st. A spot you can realistically draft a solid player and you want them to move it for near worthless spare parts?
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... and why would Montreal trade away that LTIR goalie with 50% retained? They would still get the full cap hit for the remaining half of the salary, as they cannot hide retained salary on LTIR.
You are entirely right.
Which means that the Canadiens' pick will be 66th.
I can see Van be very tempted on a deal like this depending on who falls to that pick. Canucks desperately need quantity of picks added to the system. But this draft is probably not the draft to do that imho.
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I don't think it's far off like you think it is. Some like you say easy no and others say it's close to fair value.
Personally, I don't know if I would as a Habs fan. I'd have to know what's still left on the board at 15 to make the decision.
