Proposal: MTL-BOS

[BronxBruin]

You know, there is a deal that I think might have some meat on the bone. Bruins fans can correct me if I'm wrong, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of depth in your pipeline. This is one of the teams that may want to acquire more picks to replenish their prospect pool.

As it stands now, the Bruins would be picking #4 in the draft, which would likely guarantee them one of Hagens/Matone/Frondell. Let me preface this proposal by saying I don't believe this deal is likely if the Bruins finish 1-5 in the draft. If they manage to slide down to 6 or lower, then I think this is reasonable.

To Mtl:
- Boston 1st rounder (6th or lower)
- I was toying with the idea of a bad contract as a premium for giving up the best asset, but I don't see anything particularly abysmal, and they don't look to be under a cap crunch for next year.

To Boston:
- Montreal 1st (currently #17)
- Calgary 1st (currently #16)
- 2nd, this year or next.
- B prospect like Mesar or Sean Farrell (local boy)

If Boston's pick fell to like 8th and they miss out on Frondell, Desnoyers, and Eklund, I'd be open to something like this...not sure Montreal would though based on who was still available. Boston's prospect cupboard is pretty bare and two top 20 picks could go a long way towards restocking it. How about:

Montreal gets:
-- Boston's first (let's say it's #8)
-- Korpisalo (cap dump but he has actually been serviceable at times this year as a backup)

Boston gets:
-- Montreal's two firsts (assuming they both stay in 15-20 range)
-- Montreal second
-- Dobes or Fowler (not sure how Montreal values each but B's could use an upgrade in the goalie pipeline behind Swayman. Montreal probably wouldn't need both with Montembault signed for two more years and Korpi signed for three)

 

[Junohockeyfan]

If Boston's pick fell to like 8th and they miss out on Frondell, Desnoyers, and Eklund, I'd be open to something like this...not sure Montreal would though based on who was still available. Boston's prospect cupboard is pretty bare and two top 20 picks could go a long way towards restocking it. How about:

Montreal gets:
-- Boston's first (let's say it's #8)
-- Korpisalo (cap dump but he has actually been serviceable at times this year as a backup)

Boston gets:
-- Montreal's two firsts (assuming they both stay in 15-20 range)
-- Montreal second
-- Dobes or Fowler (not sure how Montreal values each but B's could use an upgrade in the goalie pipeline behind Swayman. Montreal probably wouldn't need both with Montembault signed for two more years and Korpi signed for three)

You are not getting Fowler. The 2 x 1sts for 8OA is likely equal value in this draft. I would rather the Habs trade the 2 x 1sts + prospects for a 2C.

 

[Garbageyuk]

If Boston's pick fell to like 8th and they miss out on Frondell, Desnoyers, and Eklund, I'd be open to something like this...not sure Montreal would though based on who was still available. Boston's prospect cupboard is pretty bare and two top 20 picks could go a long way towards restocking it. How about:

Montreal gets:
-- Boston's first (let's say it's #8)
-- Korpisalo (cap dump but he has actually been serviceable at times this year as a backup)

Boston gets:
-- Montreal's two firsts (assuming they both stay in 15-20 range)
-- Montreal second
-- Dobes or Fowler (not sure how Montreal values each but B's could use an upgrade in the goalie pipeline behind Swayman. Montreal probably wouldn't need both with Montembault signed for two more years and Korpi signed for three)

This is horrendously bad for MTL. I could see MTL’s two picks for 8th, but I wouldn’t even be all that interested, tbh, and you aren’t getting all that other stuff, let alone Fowler (lmao).

 

[Ford Prefect]

If Boston's pick fell to like 8th and they miss out on Frondell, Desnoyers, and Eklund, I'd be open to something like this...not sure Montreal would though based on who was still available. Boston's prospect cupboard is pretty bare and two top 20 picks could go a long way towards restocking it. How about:

Montreal gets:
-- Boston's first (let's say it's #8)
-- Korpisalo (cap dump but he has actually been serviceable at times this year as a backup)

Boston gets:
-- Montreal's two firsts (assuming they both stay in 15-20 range)
-- Montreal second
-- Dobes or Fowler (not sure how Montreal values each but B's could use an upgrade in the goalie pipeline behind Swayman. Montreal probably wouldn't need both with Montembault signed for two more years and Korpi signed for three)

If the pick gets down to 8, it would be a trade from the floor (or what used to be the floor). Boston would not love who was left on the board, and Montreal would have to. There is no reality where Montreal would surrender 2 firsts, a 2nd, and their future starting goaltender to move up 8 spots. I agree with the consensus that the 2 firsts would be more than enough to move up.

 

[quietbruinfan]

As a Bruinfan, I take that and run. I run real fast before the Habs come to their senses. (The Zacha deal)

 

[General Fanager]

If Boston's pick fell to like 8th and they miss out on Frondell, Desnoyers, and Eklund, I'd be open to something like this...not sure Montreal would though based on who was still available. Boston's prospect cupboard is pretty bare and two top 20 picks could go a long way towards restocking it. How about:

Montreal gets:
-- Boston's first (let's say it's #8)
-- Korpisalo (cap dump but he has actually been serviceable at times this year as a backup)

Boston gets:
-- Montreal's two firsts (assuming they both stay in 15-20 range)
-- Montreal second
-- Dobes or Fowler (not sure how Montreal values each but B's could use an upgrade in the goalie pipeline behind Swayman. Montreal probably wouldn't need both with Montembault signed for two more years and Korpi signed for three)

OK well im sure you know this already but Fowler is a non starter. Also I am not so sure The Habs would use those assets to move up for a better magic bean. I think they use them for a 2C to help right now.

 

[dredeye]

Hell no. Remember that we are still in a rebuild. In addition to Reinbacher and Demidov, I wouldn’t move Hage, Kapanen, Fowler, Engstrom or Konyushkov either. Wouldn’t trade any young roster players either. The reasons vary, but all pretty much boil down to that the value they’d bring if they pan out, vastly outweighs what we’d get in a trade for them.

Imo, pretty much the only assets with significant value that should be on the table right now should be Beck, Mailloux, Dobes, Primeau, Roy, and the extra 1st and 2nd round picks.

Should easily be able to find a stopgap 2C with some combination of 2 or 3 of these pieces.

So why trade any of the other prospects? What if they end up being the best of the bunch? Of all the players you listed a couple may become nhl’ers of any substance. I’m not saying always trade all your youth. It’s important to maintain a strong pipeline. But taking like 10 guys off availability when you can get the exact nhl piece you think you need to complete your actual nhl roster now seems crazy. Remember in this scenario you’re getting the only true nhl player and you know exactly what they are. Again this would obviously exclude elite prospects

 

[Garbageyuk]

So why trade any of the other prospects?

Because I feel Mailloux has been made redundant by the emergence of Hutson - Hutson has filled the role that you hope Mailloux may one day be able to.

Roy is also redundant. A smallish, soft, skilled perimeter winger. We have no room for him in the top-six anytime soon, and he doesn’t have the skillset to be a bottom-six guy. There are better prospects whose development I feel should be prioritized over him. Time to part ways. He has some value, and someone will want take a chance on him, but I think it’s time for us to move on.

Dobes: mix of value and redundancy. We aren’t going to be able to keep all our goalies and prospects. Someone has to go at some point. I wouldn’t want to trade Volokhin or Fowler, and Dobes actually has some value, unlike Primeau. Therefore, he makes the most sense to trade.

Beck: redundancy again. The team just signed Evans to an extension, and has C prospects like Kapanen and Hage on the team or in the system. I don’t want to trade either of them. Dvorak is also useful and will be sticking around for a while. There isn’t any room for Beck anytime soon, imo.

Add Mesar to the list too, although he likely has very little value, so may not be worth trading.

What if they end up being the best of the bunch?

What if. You can say that about anything. You have to take your risks somewhere, and these are the ones I’d be comfortable with, prospects-wise.

But taking like 10 guys off availability when you can get the exact nhl piece you think you need to complete your actual nhl roster now seems crazy.

We are still in the later stages of a rebuild. We don’t need to make any trades, but if we are going to, it should be guys that we feel we can afford to part with. The best players are always drafted and developed the vast majority of the time. I don’t feel it makes any sense to trade out highest value prospects. Getting into a situation where we are robbing Peter to pay Paul won’t lead to success in the long term.

Again this would obviously exclude elite prospects

So you do get it, to an extent.

 

[viceroy]

Beck: redundancy again. The team just signed Evans to an extension, and has C prospects like Kapanen and Hage on the team or in the system. I don’t want to trade either of them. Dvorak is also useful and will be sticking around for a while. There isn’t any room for Beck anytime soon, imo.

Dvorak sticking around? Criminy I hope not, He's sucked HARD for 3 seasons and is giving us a half decent one in his contract year. No thanks, I don't care if he's Cole Caufield's best friend. Dvorak and Armia out, Beck and Kapanen in.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Dvorak sticking around? Criminy I hope not, He's sucked HARD for 3 seasons and is giving us a half decent one in his contract year. No thanks, I don't care if he's Cole Caufield's best friend. Dvorak and Armia out, Beck and Kapanen in.

If he re-signs cheap, I don’t have a problem. We need centers, and he’s good defensively and wins faceoffs. Going into next year with Beck and Kapanen in 2/4 C spots would be horrendous as it stands now.

Edit: sorry, Newhook. Either way, pencilling in either Beck or Kapanen at C would be getting ahead of ourselves at this stage. Terrible idea. And Dach is likely done at C when he comes back. He’s been a disaster there.

 

[SallyBalls]

Zacha? Give me a f***ing break.

 

[dredeye]

Because I feel Mailloux has been made redundant by the emergence of Hutson - Hutson has filled the role that you hope Mailloux may one day be able to.

Roy is also redundant. A smallish, soft, skilled perimeter winger. We have no room for him in the top-six anytime soon, and he doesn’t have the skillset to be a bottom-six guy. There are better prospects whose development I feel should be prioritized over him. Time to part ways. He has some value, and someone will want take a chance on him, but I think it’s time for us to move on.

Dobes: mix of value and redundancy. We aren’t going to be able to keep all our goalies and prospects. Someone has to go at some point. I wouldn’t want to trade Volokhin or Fowler, and Dobes actually has some value, unlike Primeau. Therefore, he makes the most sense to trade.

Beck: redundancy again. The team just signed Evans to an extension, and has C prospects like Kapanen and Hage on the team or in the system. I don’t want to trade either of them. Dvorak is also useful and will be sticking around for a while. There isn’t any room for Beck anytime soon, imo.

Add Mesar to the list too, although he likely has very little value, so may not be worth trading.

What if. You can say that about anything. You have to take your risks somewhere, and these are the ones I’d be comfortable with, prospects-wise.

We are still in the later stages of a rebuild. We don’t need to make any trades, but if we are going to, it should be guys that we feel we can afford to part with. The best players are always drafted and developed the vast majority of the time. I don’t feel it makes any sense to trade out highest value prospects. Getting into a situation where we are robbing Peter to pay Paul won’t lead to success in the long term.

So you do get it, to an extent.

So then don't entertain trades or expect to get scrub NHL'ers.

 

[Garbageyuk]

So then don't entertain trades or expect to get scrub NHL'ers.

The pieces mentioned have value, they are just in areas of surplus for MTL. Acquiring a 2C for some combination of them and the 1st round picks isn’t unrealistic at all. Not sure what your point is.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Zacha? Give me a f***ing break.

Break granted, now move on.