Proposal: Mtl/ari

[DATS-O-MATIC]

Fucale has no trade value

whatever happened to him,...he just never took the next step? injury?

 

[DATS-O-MATIC]

whatever happened to him,...he just never took the next step? injury?

nevermind, saw this. still an 8.0 probability to make it.


Talent Analysis

Fucale is one of the more promising prospects in the Montreal Canadiens depth chart. He is able to remain calm under pressure, never letting a goal against get to him as he continues to play with confidence. He excels when the workload is increased and he is also vocal with his teammates when need be. His rebound control continues to be a weakness and his glove hand needs some working on. His athleticism and mental toughness are top-notch.
Future

Fucale had an up-and-down season with the AHL's St. John's IceCaps in 2015-16 in his first pro season. A high profile player in Quebec during his major junior hockey career, Fucale was a popular pick when he was taken by the Canadiens in the second round in 2013. He has struggled to match expectations to this point but has shown flashes of the potential that created that enthusiasm.

Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/zachary-fucale/#IylDT44H0x5oK5DO.99

 

[euhchepas]

nevermind, saw this. still an 8.0 probability to make it.


Talent Analysis

Fucale is one of the more promising prospects in the Montreal Canadiens depth chart. He is able to remain calm under pressure, never letting a goal against get to him as he continues to play with confidence. He excels when the workload is increased and he is also vocal with his teammates when need be. His rebound control continues to be a weakness and his glove hand needs some working on. His athleticism and mental toughness are top-notch.
Future

Fucale had an up-and-down season with the AHL's St. John's IceCaps in 2015-16 in his first pro season. A high profile player in Quebec during his major junior hockey career, Fucale was a popular pick when he was taken by the Canadiens in the second round in 2013. He has struggled to match expectations to this point but has shown flashes of the potential that created that enthusiasm.

Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/zachary-fucale/#IylDT44H0x5oK5DO.99

ya no that's far from reality. Fucale just hasn't improved since he's been drafted. Maybe going down to ECHL will be a wake up call for him but for now he's not good enough to be a back up in the AHL nevermind the NHL.

As far as the trade goes I wouldn't trade Plekanec 1 for 1 for hanzal let alone add a pick and a prospect. Fans are unhappy with Plekanec because he's not producing 60 points playing defensive heavy defensive assignements, it's just unrealistic expectations.

He's in a slump but he's still one of the most important foward on the line up. I wouldn't trade a great 2nd liner for a younger great 3rd liner/fine 2nd liner

 

[Halla]

ya no that's far from reality. Fucale just hasn't improved since he's been drafted. Maybe going down to ECHL will be a wake up call for him but for now he's not good enough to be a back up in the AHL nevermind the NHL.

As far as the trade goes I wouldn't trade Plekanec 1 for 1 for hanzal let alone add a pick and a prospect. Fans are unhappy with Plekanec because he's not producing 60 points playing defensive heavy defensive assignements, it's just unrealistic expectations.

He's in a slump but he's still one of the most important foward on the line up. I wouldn't trade a great 2nd liner for a younger great 3rd liner/fine 2nd liner

Hanzal has more value than plekanec. 5 years younger, similar production offensively (when healthy), bigger and better defensively.

doesnt really make a difference, plekanec would have 0 value to the yotes. good prospect and a 1st lands hanzal.

 

[Halla]

nevermind, saw this. still an 8.0 probability to make it.


Talent Analysis

Fucale is one of the more promising prospects in the Montreal Canadiens depth chart. He is able to remain calm under pressure, never letting a goal against get to him as he continues to play with confidence. He excels when the workload is increased and he is also vocal with his teammates when need be. His rebound control continues to be a weakness and his glove hand needs some working on. His athleticism and mental toughness are top-notch.
Future

Fucale had an up-and-down season with the AHL's St. John's IceCaps in 2015-16 in his first pro season. A high profile player in Quebec during his major junior hockey career, Fucale was a popular pick when he was taken by the Canadiens in the second round in 2013. He has struggled to match expectations to this point but has shown flashes of the potential that created that enthusiasm.

Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/zachary-fucale/#IylDT44H0x5oK5DO.99

they have his probability of success listed at D.
fucale is an extreme longshot at this point. he might carve out a career as an NHL backup if he can develop, but he hasnt been good the past couple seasons

 

[BatVader]

Any team would take Plekanec easy. Reliable 50+ point producer, considered one of the best 2-way centres in the game, and a proven team first guy.
He'd definitely return better than a part time player like Hanzal.
But, sure, trade him away.

 

[Stormcrow]

I think Arizona could use a more vet presence but then again I don't live in the desert
I also don't think Hanzal(*UFA ) is the answer for the Habs.

 

[Drydenwasthebest]

Neither team should do this.

The Coyotes are not a playoff ready team, and Plekanec is not going to bring them to the playoffs.

The Habs would be foolish to trade away their best defensive forward when they are thinking of winning a Cup this year or next.

As far as some of the foolish comments in this thread, Hanzal is NOT as good as Plekanec offensively OR defensively. When you add that Plekanec is actually able to play more than 64 games per season on a yearly basis, something Hanzal has not accomplished in the last 6 seasons (5, sorry, do not include the strike shortened one) it becomes an incredibly bad deal for the Habs. I know that Plekanec has had some good seasons where he was considered for the Selke. Hanzal? Not so much.

By the way, Hanzal has never produced more than 41 points in a single season, while Plekanec produced less than 41 points only 3 times (twice if you do not include the strike shortened season) in a longer career to date. Plekanec, while playing stalwart defensive minutes, managed 54 and 60 points in the last 2 seasons while staying healthy throughout. Hanzal had 41 and 24, barely managing a single season`s worth of games in that span.

So, please, keep Hanzal and call me if he gets close to producing over 50 points and playing an actual NHL season. He is definitely not worth more than Plekanec to a contending team.

By the way, I do not care about the ppg comparison in this case (a fair statistic in many discussions) because the fact is that Hanzal has NOT proven to be able to play an entire NHL season and it is hard to evaluate if his point production would drop off or even increase if he actually DID play an actual full NHL season. There are many players who have had good ppg stats while playing partial seasons, but then dropped off significantly when playing an 82 game season. So, no, he is not as good as Plekanec in any way shape or form other than age and physicality.

 

[Drydenwasthebest]

Any team would take Plekanec easy. Reliable 50+ point producer, considered one of the best 2-way centres in the game, and a proven team first guy.
He'd definitely return better than a part time player like Hanzal.
But, sure, trade him away.

On this one, we agree. People hate Plekanec because they are young and do not understand the value of a shutdown center who can produce 45+ points on a regular basis while playing with line mates who usually have stone hands. These are the same kind of kids who would have traded away Guy Carbonneau or Bob Gainey for a 3rd round pick without ever then understanding why their team sucked afterwards...

Sigh...now we have to ADD to Plekanec to get a younger and worse player in Hanzal. People really do not think on this site...

 

[glenbuis]

They can forget about macarron and juulsen. I would think the coyotes may not want to wait till the deadline because if he gets hurt between now and then his value will drop like a rock no ?

 

[BatVader]

On this one, we agree. People hate Plekanec because they are young and do not understand the value of a shutdown center who can produce 45+ points on a regular basis while playing with line mates who usually have stone hands. These are the same kind of kids who would have traded away Guy Carbonneau or Bob Gainey for a 3rd round pick without ever then understanding why their team sucked afterwards...

Sigh...now we have to ADD to Plekanec to get a younger and worse player in Hanzal. People really do not think on this site...

I do think this will likely be Plekanecs last contract with Montreal.
I'm thinking he gets traded in the off season or next years TDL if the Habs are out of the playoff picture, but until then he is an anchor in the lineup you just don't throw away for lesser players and no reason.

 

[Kaizen]

AZ just got that for cap space.

Cap space and a1st and 2nd rounder to be clear.

 

[rt]

A healthy Hanzal at 50% retention at the deadline would cost Montreal Mike McCarron. Every prospective playoff team in the league would be lining up for a 6'5" physical menace who hits to hurt, plays a mean, nasty game, is a face-off whizz, is the best shut down center in franchise history and has the flexibility of an expiring deal which is nice with the salary cap on hold and expansion looming.

 

[hbk]

Cap space and a1st and 2nd rounder to be clear.

I was referring to the recent trade to Florida for Crouse

 

[Kaizen]

I was referring to the recent trade to Florida for Crouse

In that case you're forgetting about the $3.3 million to be paid over the next 3 years (or more if Bolland is able to miraculously recover at some point in that time frame).


Still good value for cap space and money that wasn't being spent on payroll this year.

 

[hbk]

In that case you're forgetting about the $3.3 million to be paid over the next 3 years (or more if Bolland is able to miraculously recover at some point in that time frame).


Still good value for cap space and money that wasn't being spent on payroll this year.

No. I mentioned the cap space in first post. Contract covered by insurance. AZ isn't out much in terms of actual cash. Just insurance premium.

Point is the same in the end. If AZ can translate cap space and small amount of cash into a top prospect, they will likely ask for similar return in either a top prospect and/ or top draft pick for a 6'5" 230 lb C. Someone will bite; especially if this is a weaker draft class.

 

[go4hockey]

You'll be very disappointed with the actual trade that happens if that's your way of evaluating a package.

So in your eyes a rebuilding team should be happy receiving an older forward and other pieces that do very little for them. Ok. There are a bunch of other teams that they can deal him to then if they are out of the race and looking to move him.

 

[Kaizen]

No. I mentioned the cap space in first post. Contract covered by insurance. AZ isn't out much in terms of actual cash. Just insurance premium.

Point is the same in the end. If AZ can translate cap space and small amount of cash into a top prospect, they will likely ask for similar return in either a top prospect and/ or top draft pick for a 6'5" 230 lb C. Someone will bite; especially if this is a weaker draft class.

My understanding is the contract is only partially insured. I don't remember where I saw but someone of board 40 showed where the Yotes are on the hook for $1.1 per year over and above the insurance payout.


I don't disagree with your sentiment I was just clarifying the details. The devil is in the details.

 

[Jeffrey]

Switch Plekanec for a first round draft pick and add Juulsen .

Juulsen, 1st pick
Vs
Hanzal

 

[JustAHabFan]

Switch Plekanec for a first round draft pick and add Juulsen .

Juulsen, 1st pick
Vs
Hanzal

I would not do this for Hanzal.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

A healthy Hanzal at 50% retention at the deadline would cost Montreal Mike McCarron. Every prospective playoff team in the league would be lining up for a 6'5" physical menace who hits to hurt, plays a mean, nasty game, is a face-off whizz, is the best shut down center in franchise history and has the flexibility of an expiring deal which is nice with the salary cap on hold and expansion looming.

Well said.

I personally don't think retention is demanded.

He's the kind of player that if available, you make room for.

 

[hbk]

My understanding is the contract is only partially insured. I don't remember where I saw but someone of board 40 showed where the Yotes are on the hook for $1.1 per year over and above the insurance payout.


I don't disagree with your sentiment I was just clarifying the details. The devil is in the details.

No worries. Question that remains is whether Hanzal has more trade value than cap space.