Proposal: Mtl/ari

[Fizzz]

To MTL : Martin Hanzal

To ARI : Thomas Pleckanec, Zack Fucale,2017 2nd rounder

Im not sure what MTL would have to add to Pleckanec to get Hanzal, please tell me what asset would ARI want to get this done.

THX

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[thedoughboy]

I'd doubt Arizona has any interest in Pleckanec to begin with.

They aren't competing right now, have an extremely young team for the most part, and Pleckanec is 33 and isn't getting any younger thats for sure.

If the habs wanted Hanzal it'd have to be for the standard 1st+good prospect at the deadline that literally every good player goes for at the deadline. Hell even some bad players go for that.

 

[Dr Quincy]

To MTL : Martin Hanzal

To ARI : Thomas Pleckanec, Zack Fucale,2017 2nd rounder

Im not sure what MTL would have to add to Pleckanec to get Hanzal, please tell me what asset would ARI want to get this done.

THX

Fucale has no value at all. 2nd rounder is "eh". Don't think Plek would be the main piece to build around.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

To MTL : Martin Hanzal

To ARI : Thomas Pleckanec, Zack Fucale,2017 2nd rounder

Im not sure what MTL would have to add to Pleckanec to get Hanzal, please tell me what asset would ARI want to get this done.

THX

omg the Halak. Ryder, and 2nd proposal is back !!!

i missed it so much since it's ugly cousin "Desharnais, Eller, and 2nd" moved on to greater and better things

thank you Fizzz! great memories

 

[thedoughboy]

omg the Halak. Ryder, and 2nd proposal is back !!!

i missed it so much since it's ugly cousin "Desharnais, Eller, and 2nd" moved on to greater and better things

thank you Fizzz! great memories

pretty much spot on

 

[Dr Quincy]

I go back to the days of the original: Marcel Hossa, Ron Hainsey + 2nd.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I go back to the days of the original: Marcel Hossa, Ron Hainsey + 2nd.

i'm pretty sure there were Lebeau + Racicot + 2nd rd pick proposals in the 90s too, but those were done on paper, since the internet wasn't yet accessible to the masses

it would be nice to trace back the origins, we could go on a wild TinTin type of adventure and all

there's probably a hieroglyph of a bad trade proposal engraved somewhere in a cave in Quebec

 

[ngc_5128]

i'm pretty sure there were Lebeau + Racicot + 2nd rd pick proposals in the 90s too, but those were done on paper, since the internet wasn't yet accessible to the masses

it would be nice to trace back the origins, we could go on a wild TinTin type of adventure and all

there's probably a hieroglyph of a bad trade proposal engraved somewhere in a cave in Quebec

Bert Corbeau, Billy Coutu, and 20$ for Frank Nighbor

 

[jacks*]

omg the Halak. Ryder, and 2nd proposal is back !!!

i missed it so much since it's ugly cousin "Desharnais, Eller, and 2nd" moved on to greater and better things

thank you Fizzz! great memories

If only we still had Halak. Ryder, and 2nd. LA would be wetting their pants in hope of the offer going their way.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Desharnais
Montreal 2017 2nd
Washington 2017 2nd
Montreal 2018 2nd

For

Hanzel

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Desharnais
Montreal 2017 2nd
Washington 2017 2nd
Montreal 2018 2nd

For

Hanzel

Since you're not making the playoffs (again) we'll settle for a conditional 4th, if he re-signs this summer. Otherwise, it's a large all dressed pizza.

p.s. it's Hanzal

 

[ck26]

Hanzal only goes if ARZ are out of playoffs and continuing rebuild.

If out of playoffs and continuing rebuild, Plekanec has zero value.

Goalie prospects basically all have zero value. ARZ already have some, Fucale is whatever.

2017 2nd rounder goes back to CHL for 2 more years, goes to the AHL for a bit and then might arrive in PHX in 2020 or 2021.

Nothing, nothing and 4 years from now for possibly the best rental center? That's not what the best rental center costs.

 

[glenbuis]

Hanzal only goes if ARZ are out of playoffs and continuing rebuild.

If out of playoffs and continuing rebuild, Plekanec has zero value.

Goalie prospects basically all have zero value. ARZ already have some, Fucale is whatever.

2017 2nd rounder goes back to CHL for 2 more years, goes to the AHL for a bit and then might arrive in PHX in 2020 or 2021.

Nothing, nothing and 4 years from now for possibly the best rental center? That's not what the best rental center costs.

Please tell us what Hanzal would realistically cost. Keep in mind he is a rental with a bit of an injury history.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Please tell us what Hanzal would realistically cost. Keep in mind he is a rental with a bit of an injury history.

Starting point would be something similar to the Ladd trade. 1st+ prospect who could be in the NHL. Or something equivalent to that value. I'm guessing Chayka would try to get a really good prospect instead of a pick but that could be difficult to do.


Hanzal is a center who regularly matches up against Kopitar, Thornton and Getzlaf and does a good job of shutting them down.

 

[Dominator13]

Fucale has no value at all. 2nd rounder is "eh". Don't think Plek would be the main piece to build around.

You'll be very disappointed with the actual trade that happens if that's your way of evaluating a package.

 

[Benstheman]

Scherbak and Mtl 2017 2nd round that becomes 2017 1st if Mtl makes it to ECF.

 

[ck26]

You'll be very disappointed with the actual trade that happens if that's your way of evaluating a package.

Which of those three pieces should the Coyotes covet? "Value" doesn't exist in a vacuum. What would the 2013 Bruins have given up to rent a prime Bobby Orr at the deadline? Multiple firsts. Maybe three or four, no BS, Bobby Orr, greatest player ever. What would the 2015 Sabres have given up to rent a prime Bobby Orr at the deadline? Nothing. They were trying to tank. Apart from selling a few tickets, adding Bobby Orr would have been actively counterproductive and would have dragged them away from Jack Eichel.

Plekanec, Fucale and a 2nd is one completely useless part and two middling ones. That's not going to be the high bid on Martin Hanzal.

Please tell us what Hanzal would realistically cost. Keep in mind he is a rental with a bit of an injury history.

An absolute stud prospect and a 2nd ... or a good prospect and a 1st.

The Hawks paid a 1st and Klas Dahlbeck to rent Antoine Vermette.
The Hawks paid a 1st and Marko Dano to rent Andrew Ladd.
The Stars paid Jyrkki Jokipakka, Brett Pollock and a 1st or 2nd (conditional) to rent Kris Russell.

I think Hanzal is better than any of these three, but that's arguable. Hanzal's $3.1m salary, prorated and with max retention, means he essentially comes free.

The "injury risk" is negligible, because you're renting Hanzal for two months, not marrying yourself to him for 5 years.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Which of those three pieces should the Coyotes covet? "Value" doesn't exist in a vacuum. What would the 2013 Bruins have given up to rent a prime Bobby Orr at the deadline? Multiple firsts. Maybe three or four, no BS, Bobby Orr, greatest player ever. What would the 2015 Sabres have given up to rent a prime Bobby Orr at the deadline? Nothing. They were trying to tank. Apart from selling a few tickets, adding Bobby Orr would have been actively counterproductive and would have dragged them away from Jack Eichel.

Plekanec, Fucale and a 2nd is one completely useless part and two middling ones. That's not going to be the high bid on Martin Hanzal.An absolute stud prospect and a 2nd ... or a good prospect and a 1st.

The Hawks paid a 1st and Klas Dahlbeck to rent Antoine Vermette.
The Hawks paid a 1st and Marko Dano to rent Andrew Ladd.
The Stars paid Jyrkki Jokipakka, Brett Pollock and a 1st or 2nd (conditional) to rent Kris Russell.

I think Hanzal is better than any of these three, but that's arguable. Hanzal's $3.1m salary, prorated and with max retention, means he essentially comes free.

The "injury risk" is negligible, because you're renting Hanzal for two months, not marrying yourself to him for 5 years.

All I will say is, good luck and hope you get what you want from another team than Montreal.

 

[Benstheman]

Which of those three pieces should the Coyotes covet? "Value" doesn't exist in a vacuum. What would the 2013 Bruins have given up to rent a prime Bobby Orr at the deadline? Multiple firsts. Maybe three or four, no BS, Bobby Orr, greatest player ever. What would the 2015 Sabres have given up to rent a prime Bobby Orr at the deadline? Nothing. They were trying to tank. Apart from selling a few tickets, adding Bobby Orr would have been actively counterproductive and would have dragged them away from Jack Eichel.

Plekanec, Fucale and a 2nd is one completely useless part and two middling ones. That's not going to be the high bid on Martin Hanzal.An absolute stud prospect and a 2nd ... or a good prospect and a 1st.

The Hawks paid a 1st and Klas Dahlbeck to rent Antoine Vermette.
The Hawks paid a 1st and Marko Dano to rent Andrew Ladd.
The Stars paid Jyrkki Jokipakka, Brett Pollock and a 1st or 2nd (conditional) to rent Kris Russell.

I think Hanzal is better than any of these three, but that's arguable. Hanzal's $3.1m salary, prorated and with max retention, means he essentially comes free.

The "injury risk" is negligible, because you're renting Hanzal for two months, not marrying yourself to him for 5 years.

You will never get that for a top rental, let alone a 2nd line center.

 

[hbk]

You will never get that for a top rental, let alone a 2nd line center.

AZ just got that for cap space.

 

[rt]

McCarron.

 

[rockinghockey]

Fucale has no trade value

 

[CanadienShark]

McCarron.

Depends on how desperate MB becomes. This would be an overpayment, but a very plausible one. I would demand no less, if I were a Yotes fan.

 

[Halla]

Hanzal returns a 1st and decent prospect.
for the habs it has to be Scherbak,Mccarron or juulsen + 1st

 

[Halla]

All I will say is, good luck and hope you get what you want from another team than Montreal.

they probably will. if vermette can bring back a 1st and prospect, so can hanzal (if he is healthy)