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pth2 said:
Yes. His weak 5 on 5 play, overall lack of speed, hustle, effort and backchecking, has annoyed a lot of Habs fans, and management is in damage control mode with him.
His weak play contributed to the Habs OT playoff loss, too.

When he is doing anything, literally anything, other than shooting on the PP, he's a liability.
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Man, you guys are some of the worst used car salesmen I've ever met.

"This thing's leaking oil, rod bearings are failing, AC doesn't work, needs a new transmission, and smells of cat pee.
Some rust issues, and there's reports of spontaneous fires while parked.
Oh and there's some bullet holes left behind from the previous owner's murder.
It does have a good sound system though."
 
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FiveTacos said:
Man, you guys are some of the worst used car salesmen I've ever met.

"This thing's leaking oil, rod bearings are failing, AC doesn't work, needs a new transmission, and smells of cat pee.
Some rust issues, and there's reports of spontaneous fires while parked.
Oh and there's some bullet holes left behind from the previous owner's murder.
It does have a good sound system though."
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It's not like we're actually GMs.

My dream is that one day something we work out here actually happen, which can only occur if we're all quite honest.

I could see Laine being a 4th liner PP specialist, for a bad team that just needs some goals on the board to keep fans from giving up.
 
Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
Don't really care for Strome.

Ducks likely don't care for Laine.

During the interview, it was mentioned the Habs don't get into the playoffs with Laine, so can't see them trading him.

Laine has 1 more season and then they're free of him, Strome has an extra year.

Have to imagine both teams pass easily.
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Yeah, I don't see this happening. Strome is not our center solution and we might as well just ride with Dach/Newhook for one more year. We basically made the playoffs without Dach and I suspect he will be on a mission because it's a contract year coming.

Laine was very good in some games and very meh in other games. He's also in a contract year so I believe he's showing up this year as well.

Don't see any traction to this trade idea at all. What I see is Habs fans searching for any center then can find. That's not the reality of what our management will do. Yeah, they will chit chat with teams about certain players but they are not desperate to make a move. You can clearly tell that by the end of season press conference.
 
pth2 said:
It's not like we're actually GMs.

My dream is that one day something we work out here actually happen, which can only occur if we're all quite honest.

I could see Laine being a 4th liner PP specialist, for a bad team that just needs some goals on the board to keep fans from giving up.
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Laine learned a lot in Montreal this year but it started rough with the injury. He worked through it and really did win us some games with his shot. Habs fans tend to target the flaws and get obsessive with it but I can see our management supporting him more.

Contract year for Laine. I think he has a good season because of this.
 
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Sendhelp2Anaheim said:
Maybe not better options, but there are for sure options that can help the power play, while not being a negative at 5 v 5.

i think a lot of our pp issues had to do with coaching/systems. We have a lot of talent for the powerplay. Guys like McTavish/Cutter can rip it, colangelo showed he can be a net front presence.

But when i watched our powerplay (in comparison to someone like montreal), montreal moved around a lot more, they got the defense moving.
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That's just a product of optimizing the talents they have. Once Hutson was added to PP1, you saw a lot more passing, because he just doesn't have a shot from the point. His skill is his vision, accuracy, and creativity. When Weber was manning the point, it was very different. He had an absolute bomb and could generate rebounds.

I imagine before he was traded, Fowler quarterbacked the PP? Who does it now? And how do they exploit that guy's talents best? I think from watching a futile PP at work for years, you can't have 5 guys out there trying to do different things (i.e. trying to generate rebounds from the point, while cycling the puck, while trying to set up shots through the bumper, etc.). Even Montreal's changed over the year. When Laine was healthy and producing, the system was to set him up at the left FO dot (they were similarly doing that with Caufield before he was bumped). Once he was removed in the PO, they changed it to seam passing utilizing the strengths of both Hutson and Demidov (from the eye test, it was almost like having 2 QBs running the PP).

Perhaps it isn't a talent issue, but as you point out a coaching issue of not exacting the most out of what your players can do by exploiting their collective strengths in the most efficient manner. From the talent you're describing, it sounds like tape-to-tape seam passing wouldn't be your system, but generating rebounds and tipping point shots might be.

Getting back to the original point, maybe Laine isn't the best option given how the balance of the unit best operates. You can't have 4-5 shooters with no one to dish them the puck. Maybe you alter the system and allow your more creative players to generate offence by exposing and exploiting breakdowns in coverage, which may make Laine's skill set more effective?

In any event I still don't think the trade really works because of the organizational objectives rather than the player himself. I don't know what 1 year of a PP specialist is going to accomplish to advance your organization's rebuild and take them to the next level (unless of course the consensus is that they are now in a position to contend but need a few pieces). Utilizing Strome as a trade chip can probably be best used in another capacity.
 
As a ducks fan, I would do this deal if they can add a veteran UFA to play a similar role (which should not be hard). I'm ready to move on from Strome and would take a one year flyer on Laine. I would point out that Laine's contract is backloaded in actual $, so the dollars don't exactly line up.
 
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Ryan Strome (2 years, $5M)

:ducks
Patrik Laine @ $3.7M retention (1 year, $8.7M -> $5M)
Conditional pick (based on Laine's goals or games played next year, I haven't really given thought on the details)

Reasoning for Montreal: It's no secret that the Habs are in desperate need for a 2C to become a competitive playoff team. Strome at 31yo is obviously not a long term solution but could be a useful stopgap at the position. His numbers are quite decent on an offensively inept Ducks team (no offense Ducks fans) and he has the required playmaking skill for a top 6 role. The two more years at $5M AAV line up well with the Habs farm making their development to eventually take Strome's spot.

Reasoning for Anaheim: With their young top forwards (Carlsson, McTavish, Gauthier) stepping up this past year Strome could be expendable. The reasoning to acquire Laine in return is quite simple: the Ducks had the worst PP in the league this year, Laine is there to fix that. His contract is also expiring next year so there's not a lot of commitment that needs to made there.

Now obviously there is a risk on Laine as he's been rarely healthy these past few years and his play in Montreal suggested that he might still be suffering from various injuries, which is why I added a conditional pick to be sent to Anaheim as insurance if Laine doesn't work out for them. As you probably figured out, the salary retention is to offset the AAVs so there should be no concern regarding the cap hit for either team.
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Big no from Anaheim
When Montréal acquire Monahan they received a 1st
Why anaheim will give one of their best center for Laine
It makes non sence
 
duckpuck said:
As a ducks fan, I would do this deal if they can add a veteran UFA to play a similar role (which should not be hard). I'm ready to move on from Strome and would take a one year flyer on Laine. I would point out that Laine's contract is backloaded in actual $, so the dollars don't exactly line up.
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I'm open to moving Strome in order to make room for roster upgrades but I just don't want Laine
 
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WhatTheDuck said:
I'm open to moving Strome in order to make room for roster upgrades but I just don't want Laine
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What do you think Strome (and his $5M contract with 2 more years of term) are worth? Not much. So if you can take a one year flyer on a high risk/high reward option like Laine, then why not? It's better than a low draft pick or whatever else Strome might return.
 
duckpuck said:
What do you think Strome (and his $5M contract with 2 more years of term) are worth? Not much. So if you can take a one year flyer on a high risk/high reward option like Laine, then why not? It's better than a low draft pick or whatever else Strome might return.
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In a vacuum, sure. However this is Laine's third team with essentially the same complaints about him/his attitude. At this point he pretty much is who he is.

Do you really want that in Anaheim's locker room? Especially right now with a new coach coming in who hopefully will be developing all the younger players a whole lot better than Cronin did. I'd much rather (given an only A or B choice) stick with Strome's lesser production but solid leadership than Laine's (hopefully) better production & basket of problems.

A couple of years from now once everyone has settled into the 'we figured out what it takes to win & now we're going to do it' groove, that's when you can bring in the flyer with the issues & hope that it works out for the best. Right now though, the on & off ice things could spectacularly backfire & Anaheim's not really in a position to risk that. Your 'high risk' isn't just that he won't produce/will get hurt again, but also the future impact on all the younger player that the Ducks have if they decide to emulate him.

(I do agree that Strome with his contract isn't worth a whole lot right now as trade value & not worth giving up for a low pick that has a low percentage chance of actually becoming a NHL regular)
 
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