Value of: Moving Zibanajad to 2c

[bert]

Ryan Johansson and Eric Staal.

Zibanejad is better than both of them lol. He had the best GPG in the entire NHL and you dont think he is a 1 c. The entire basis of the reason for this thread makes no sense to begin with.

 

[Savant]

LHD in 2020. Center in 2021

 

[QJL]

Average is tricky. He had a 63 point season and a 71 point season. He also had seasons where he played 40 or fewer seasons when he was not on pace to come near those numbers.

What do you mean? We’re going back beyond 3 years prior to the Jones trade to determine if Johansen was a 1C? Averages (18th among centers the 3 years prior), totals (11th among centers the 3 years prior). Any way you spin it, Johansen was consistently producing as a top line center for 3 years leading up to that deal. To pretend a top center hasn’t been traded is inaccurate. It’s just extremely rare and requires a top talent like Seth Jones to make it happen.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

What do you mean? We’re going back beyond 3 years prior to the Jones trade to determine if Johansen was a 1C? Averages (18th among centers the 3 years prior), totals (11th among centers the 3 years prior), any way you spin it, Johansen was consistently producing as a top line center for 3 years leading up to that deal. He was the definition of consistency. To pretend a top center hasn’t been traded is inaccurate. It’s just extremely rare and requires a top talent like Seth Jones to make it happen.

If you think he's a 1C, or was when he was traded, nothing I can say will change your mind.

The thread is not about RyJo. It's about the last time an established 1C was traded vis-a-vis the Rangers being able to add an upgrade to Zibanejad.

 

[aufheben]

Zibanejad broke the shit out of games this season.

 

[Regal]

I think Zibanejad is more than good enough to be the best center on a future contending Rangers team, especially with Panarin on the 1st line. If anything they could use an upgrade on Strome to play with Panarin, which would be a much easier move, though it might be worth it to see if one of the young guys can take that job. You're not getting a center better than Zibanejad without Zibanejad or Lafreniere in the deal, unless it's a guy who wants out.

 

[NYRKing]

I don’t think any centers better than zibby will be on the market any time soon. And I’m really ok with that.

 

[QJL]

If you think he's a 1C, or was when he was traded, nothing I can say will change your mind.

The thread is not about RyJo. It's about the last time an established 1C was traded vis-a-vis the Rangers being able to add an upgrade to Zibanejad.

RyJo is the last time an established 1C was traded. That’s partially what the thread is about - an argument on the validity of this thread and the potential of the trade, so that’s why we’re having it. Plenty of posts about it besides yours and mine and yours came first.

Do you have an argument for RyJo not being a 1C besides looking at his stat line 4 seasons before he was traded? I want my mind changed, really. I want another top center on the Rangers!

 

[Ambisextrous]

They'd be smarter keeping Zibby as the 1C and looking for a borderline elite 2C, one may be closer to being on the market

 

[TorontoMedia]

I’m not a Rangers fan by heart but I’m really excited for their future they have a complete young team in place but the only thing they’re missing is a legit game changing 1 C in my opinion. I don’t see Zibanajad as that. I see him as a bottom 20 1c and an elite 2C with the likes of Logan Couture, Bo Horvat and Evegini Kuznetzkov. I guess better wording is Franchise centre. Do the rangers have the assets to upgrade Zibanajad?

Potential package of- Ryan Strome, Anthony DeAngelo, Kravstov, Georgiev, 2020 1st (Canes) and 2021 1st

other players if it’s a player like Eichel coming back- Chytil, Fox, Lundqvist, Howden, Etc
only untouchables- Kakko, Lafranier, Zibby, Shiesty, Paniran

Could this package get a player that’d be an upgrade over Zibanajad?

Kakko is untouchable in an Eichel trade? thank god you're not the GM....

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Zibanejad was better last year than any of these players other than Staal have ever been in their careers. The only time Staal put up comparable numbers was 2005-06.

How the f*** is a guy who scored 41 goals and 75 points in 57 games not a 1C? He had the most goals per game in the entire league. More than Ovi. More than Pasta and Matthews.

This has to be just trolling at this point.

This was a career year. Do you not agree with my comparison to Logan Couture, Kuznetskov and Horvat?

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Zibanejad is better than both of them lol. He had the best GPG in the entire NHL and you dont think he is a 1 c. The entire basis of the reason for this thread makes no sense to begin with.

Eric Staal in his prime was Bergeron Esq and Ryan Johansson was thought to be trending upwards to a franchise level. While I agree that right now he was better then both I think Johansson HAD more value.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Kakko is untouchable in an Eichel trade? thank god you're not the GM....

In a Eichel trade no he isn’t obviously Alexis Lafranier probably isn’t either...but I’d try everything I possibly could to not move him. I’m sure the rangers could.

Filip Chytil, Nils Lundqvist, Ryan Strome, Georgiev, Mark Staal, Brendan Smith 1st 2020 (24th ovr), 1st 2021 and 1st 2022 for Jack Eichel

 

[tsujimoto74]

In a Eichel trade no he isn’t obviously Alexis Lafranier probably isn’t either...but I’d try everything I possibly could to not move him. I’m sure the rangers could.

Filip Chytil, Nils Lundqvist, Ryan Strome, Georgiev, Mark Staal, Brendan Smith 1st 2020 (24th ovr), 1st 2021 and 1st 2022 for Jack Eichel

 

[Groo]

In a Eichel trade no he isn’t obviously Alexis Lafranier probably isn’t either...but I’d try everything I possibly could to not move him. I’m sure the rangers could.

Filip Chytil, Nils Lundqvist, Ryan Strome, Georgiev, Mark Staal, Brendan Smith 1st 2020 (24th ovr), 1st 2021 and 1st 2022 for Jack Eichel

 

[teemussalami]

Can't see DET trading but Larkin?

New York would be the only other team I would want to see him on right now if for whatever reason he got traded. He would absolutely tear up.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Why all these bad threads involving the Rangers recently?

 

[Unbiased Fan]

What? Too much to little?

 

[DesertPenguin]

Put a package together for Malkin? Only real possibility I could think of.

In different circumstances, yes, but this ownership and management group want to go for it for the next two seasons, and Malkin has a NTC. He wants to stay. He is going to play out his contract and then either re-sign on a 3ish year deal, or go back to Magnitogorsk.

 

[SI90]

I’m an islanders fan and I promise you Zibanejad is a legit #1 center. Doesn’t hurt to have 2 but acquiring another #1 center doesn’t necessarily make Zibanejad the #2.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Can't see DET trading but Larkin?

New York would be the only other team I would want to see him on right now if for whatever reason he got traded. He would absolutely tear up.

That’s would be a perfect fit what would it take?

 

[zar]

1st overall and Strome for Eichel might get the Sabres to listen. But that’s only because Eichel has been outspoken about his unhappiness with Buffalo.

True 1C’s don’t get traded (unless they ask for it)

You think so? I would guess they would laugh and hang up quicker than you could blink.

If the Sabres put Eichel to market they would get waaaaaay better offers than that.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

1) Probably not.

2) When was the last time an established 1C was moved?

Gretzky

 

[GAGLine]

This was a career year. Do you not agree with my comparison to Logan Couture, Kuznetskov and Horvat?

He had 30 goals and 74 points in 82 games last year, at age 25. Those are 1st line numbers. This year, at age 26, 41 goals and 75 points in 57 games. Those are elite numbers.

When Marchand (who I'm sure you would consider a 1st liner) was 26, he had 42 points in 77 games and his career highs were 28 goals and 55 points. He didn't score better than a PPG until his age 28 season, and he has scored better than a PPG ever since. Of course, playing with Pastrnak and Bergeron helps. Zibanejad plays mostly with Kreider and Buchnevich.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

He had 30 goals and 74 points in 82 games last year, at age 25. Those are 1st line numbers. This year, at age 26, 41 goals and 75 points in 57 games. Those are elite numbers.

When Marchand (who I'm sure you would consider a 1st liner) was 26, he had 42 points in 77 games and his career highs were 28 goals and 55 points. He didn't score better than a PPG until his age 28 season, and he has scored better than a PPG ever since. Of course, playing with Pastrnak and Bergeron helps. Zibanejad plays mostly with Kreider and Buchnevich.

Actually he played the most minutes with Paniran this season.