Value of: Moving Zibanajad to 2c
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SingnBluesOnBroadway
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while he may not be generational [McDavid] or even elite [MacKinnon] Zib IS bonafide 1C.
If a move makes sense, pushing a 1C quality guy to 2C deepens the club.
Issue is cost and specific currency of assets.
Kravtsov is not entirely untouchable, but he is more or less off the table at present. There is a reason we took this guy over Dobson.
Also, Kravtsov w/correct Ws can effectively function as pivot on what is good enough to be first line, even if he himself is not yet matured into 1C.
Kakko LW - Krav-C - Panarin RW
'Second' line
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You're not looking for a legit 1c. You're looking for an elite 1c. Wouldn't it make more sense to just move Panarin to LW1 and play him with Zibanejad, then go find a real 2c? You don't need a better C to play with Panarin.
Also, nobody is trading a real 2c right now for nothing short of an overpayment, so you can only imagine what a top 10-15 center is going to cost.
Also, nobody is trading a real 2c right now for nothing short of an overpayment, so you can only imagine what a top 10-15 center is going to cost.
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When Staal was moved, nobody thought he was a bottom 20c. When Johansson was moved, I don't think anybody had him ranked as a top 20 center, either. So if the issue is Zibanejad is a bottom 20c to you and you're looking for an upgrade, these can't possible count, right?
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Ryan Johanansson was never been an established 1C and Staal was no longer a 1C when he was traded.
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Would not move a good number 1 center for a package with STrome and DeAnglo, both had career years more or less.
If I would move my top center, I would want stuff you dont want to move.
I you don't think Zibanejad is a number 1 center and a top 15 one at that, you are lost. Zibanejad was breaking out when the Rangers were rebuilding. He put up 30 G 74 points on a team with tons of kids and that was far from rebuilt. When Panarin arrived and a couple of kids started to mature his level went to that of a 50 G, 90+ point center if you project 82 games. That's because his skill on the PP has now been complimented by Panarin and defenseman like TDA and Fox who can work the point. His production should go through the roof with Lafrenierre here and Kakko continuing to mature. Some say he should have won the Selke. That's how good his defense is. The Rangers simply need a second center with a little more game than Strome either on a good contract or a few years away from hitting their payday. However, what they mostly need to do is shape their 3rd and 4th lines and add a couple more solid defensive defenseman.
RyJo was averaging 27 goals + 65 points a season in the 3 years prior to when he was traded. He was 11th in the league in scoring for centers over that time span and he was consistent as well. That’s 1C.
Oh, and Zibanejad is absolutely a 1C. The Rangers are not getting a center better than him unless someone like McDavid or Eichel demands a trade to the Rangers.
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Zibanejad was better last year than any of these players other than Staal have ever been in their careers. The only time Staal put up comparable numbers was 2005-06.
How the f*** is a guy who scored 41 goals and 75 points in 57 games not a 1C? He had the most goals per game in the entire league. More than Ovi. More than Pasta and Matthews.
This has to be just trolling at this point.
klingsor
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The Rangers need a first pairing left d-man a whole lot more than a supposed upgrade on Zibanejad.
Not that they are in any position to trade for either.
PATIENCE!!!
Not that they are in any position to trade for either.
PATIENCE!!!
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I think getting a guy like Sean Monahan would be the more realistic move. He’s a good player that has played a top center role and has drawn top line matchups for years now. He’s only 25, costs 6.75 with 4 years remaining, and his name has already popped up in trade rumors. Plus a change in scenery and the opportunity to play next to the type of wingers the Rags have could lead to some big seasons. Compared to other 1C’s I don’t think he would cost that much to acquire and just by looking at other potential sellers there really isn’t a legit 1C available for trade.
Zibby is a 1C anyways but I do agree that building depth at the C position is very important and Zibanajad, Monahan, and Strome would be a pretty damn good 1-2-3.
I’m not a Rangers fan but I saw first hand how the Blues and Doug Armstrong traded for guys like ROR and Brayden Schenn and then put them in larger roles with better players And that has worked out pretty well for both of them.
Zibby is a 1C anyways but I do agree that building depth at the C position is very important and Zibanajad, Monahan, and Strome would be a pretty damn good 1-2-3.
I’m not a Rangers fan but I saw first hand how the Blues and Doug Armstrong traded for guys like ROR and Brayden Schenn and then put them in larger roles with better players And that has worked out pretty well for both of them.
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Try convincing Pitts that their window is closed or they need a major shakeup and pry Malkin from their cold dead hands.
Also what the Rongos need is not more offensive firepower but a good stay at home Dman or two and a 2way defensive center.
Also what the Rongos need is not more offensive firepower but a good stay at home Dman or two and a 2way defensive center.
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The nice thing about having a Panarin level talent is his playmaking and play driving makes up for the lack of a strong 2C. Look at the centres that won playing on Patty Kane’s line. I don’t mean that Rangers shouldn’t look for a centre, but don’t sell the farm for one
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Turris no. Duchene had two seasons where he had over 60 points. He's a slightly better Stepan who nobody has ever confused for a #1 center.
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Are you capable of responding without insulting somebody in your first sentence?
1st overall and Strome for Eichel might get the Sabres to listen. But that’s only because Eichel has been outspoken about his unhappiness with Buffalo.
True 1C’s don’t get traded (unless they ask for it)
True 1C’s don’t get traded (unless they ask for it)
ChaoticOrange
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So, nine untouchables unless the player coming back is a borderline franchise player like Eichel?
Lemme know how that goes.
Lemme know how that goes.
Guys have some patience, we are only a couple of years into a franchise rebuild. As some contracts come off the board the next couple of years we will have the financial flexibility to make some moves. The time will also give JG time to accumulate prospects and give the last two draft years players time to develop. Patience is hard to come by in NY.
