Proposal: Moves to make the Oilers harder to play against

[Mr Positive]

Oilers don't need to be harder to play against. They just need some more defence.

Still, there's nothing to stop the Oilers from doing both if they want to

What makes this thread interesting is that there is a rumor that the Oilers want to add toughness.

 

[McSuper]

Oilers don't need to be harder to play against. They just need some more defence.

I think they got enough D, like 12 trillion. The problem is the have no true #1 or #3 . Need someone to anchor the 1st and 2nd pairing.

 

[elitepete]

if you want toughness you can have pearson/myers (not that tough be 6’8), burroughs/poolman. enjoy.

oilers should have just claimed simmonds.

 

[Bender]

Oilers need(ed) to revamp their D .
Very hard to do but still possible .
Look at my Devils . Fitz has shit lined up for a long time prior , targeting potential players that teams would have no room for once they had cap issues .
Graves - Avs could not afford to keep him
Seigenthaler - same thing with the Caps .
Marino - Fitz knew that if pens extended Malkin and Letang , he probably would be available .

That’s 3 good - great defensive D added for essentially very little .
3 guys that would fit right in what the Oilers need . Big D that are very good defensively yet also good at transitioning the puck .
And that’s 3 examples that using just my team . I’m sure there has to be other examples out there ( Toews is an extreme example)

It’s almost like .. you have to use your head and be proactive being a GM …. Addressing needs …..

"That's some good advice... I just wish I had the time. I'm super busy trying to bring back Koskinen from Europe"

Signed - Kenny Holland

 

[JoeSakic13]

I think they got enough D, like 12 trillion. The problem is the have no true #1 or #3 . Need someone to anchor the 1st and 2nd pairing.

I think you may have taken that too literally. I’m pretty sure that’s what @Bank Shot meant, and I’m inclined to agree.

I’m not gonna hide the fact that I don’t think that Nurse is a true #1, but if you brought in a #1 I wouldn’t rule out he being a great #1b.

 

[Bouboumaster]

The first pick is on the wrong side here .. plus Oilers shouldn’t really add another Kasian ( which Anderson is on a path towards being )
Anderson contract is trash

It is not and your take on Anderson is hilarious (and wrong)

 

[Fogelhund]

Lol Wayne Simmonds was just waived so you could of had him for free. Toronto doesn't want Derek Ryan, he sucks.

I like Simmonds in his current PR role, more than I'd want Derek Ryan. Now if Wayne really wanted to play somewhere, I'd happily accept future considerations to make him happy.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think they got enough D, like 12 trillion. The problem is the have no true #1 or #3 . Need someone to anchor the 1st and 2nd pairing.

I think you are missing two pieces like Monahan and Edmundson. Both mobile big bodies that play physical and make things easier for your stars.

* Drai with McDavid at 5/5 is ideal.
* RNH at 2C is ideal
* Monahan at 3C winning key faceoffs and doing the little things well would really changes things. I think the Oilers need someone like this.
* Edmundson brings mobility and physical play in your own zone. Ideally, you would like a #1 but it's not probable to find at this stage. Best you can hope if one of Bouchard or Broberg is that guy eventually.

Cost to acquire? Probably higher than what you are willing to pay. But those are the types you need IMO.

 

[SwedishFire]

With McLeod, Hamblin and maybe Holloway, Oilers is trending upwards. Holland has set his whole team to mKe it or break it on Brobergs emergance. Kind of pissy.

I still think they need a D the most.

Send of Yamamoto, and maybe Fogele. Keep the rest - benson, shore etc has to low cap to make any diffrence. And no other teams want AHLers.
Package yamamoto + an A prospect (Holloway, Borgenault, Broberg) or 2023 1st for an elite defensive D.

Bottom 6 is Okish, but yes, one more good player would be great

 

[McJedi]

Just pay for Bertuzzi @50% at this point

What’s that trade look like IYO?

What does Bert at 50% to the Oilers cost Edmonton. I ask realizing you’re a Detroit fan.

 

[McJedi]

I think you are missing two pieces like Monahan and Edmundson. Both mobile big bodies that play physical and make things easier for your stars.

* Drai with McDavid at 5/5 is ideal.
* RNH at 2C is ideal
* Monahan at 3C winning key faceoffs and doing the little things well would really changes things. I think the Oilers need someone like this.
* Edmundson brings mobility and physical play in your own zone. Ideally, you would like a #1 but it's not probable to find at this stage. Best you can hope if one of Bouchard or Broberg is that guy eventually.

Cost to acquire? Probably higher than what you are willing to pay. But those are the types you need IMO.

The hard sell. Lol.

The Oilers need Monahan? and it’s going to be expensive…. Yeah. No. If that’s the move the Oil make, I’ll get a real chuckle out of that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The hard sell. Lol.

The Oilers need Monahan? and it’s going to be expensive…. Yeah. No. If that’s the move the Oil make, I’ll get a real chuckle out of that.

Yes, I do think the Oilers could use a Monahan to play 3C. And yes, it's going to cost more than what you prefer to give up.

 

[McJedi]

Yes, I do think the Oilers could use a Monahan to play 3C. And yes, it's going to cost more than what you prefer to give up.

I hope you’re right. I’d laugh hard if the Oil blow thru some valuable trade pieces to get Monahan.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I hope you’re right. I’d laugh hard if the Oil blow thru some valuable trade pieces to get Monahan.

I think Monahan returns two 2nd rounders in the end.... and that comes near the deadline. If Monahan keeps playing the way he is, he's getting a 2nd at a min. 1st round picks are not thrown around that easily.

I do think Monahan would be a good fit for the Oilers. He's skating very well and good on faceoffs. Uses his big body well but I don't see the Oilers paying the price

 

[cwede]

don't see returns from EO in OP which would tempt the targeted sellers,
especially RE Ducks and Preds, they lose each instantly and badly

 

[AvroArrow]

Oilers need a couple blue liners, not grit.

Move Nuge for an upgrade on D, he has good value with his cap hit and he's 29. Maybe in a deal for Parayko ? He's making 1M more, same age and has term. I haven't seen a whole lot of Parayko this season, I've heard he hasn't been as good as the past. But he's a physical RHD, it'll make the Oilers much harder to play against and you get a really good quality defender. McDavid/Drai can carry their own lines rather easily, I feel like it makes sense for Edmonton.

Or maybe a bigger deal involving multiple players with Nashville, target Ekholm. He's a little older but he's a big boy and plays a mean solid defensive game.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think Monahan returns two 2nd rounders in the end.... and that comes near the deadline. If Monahan keeps playing the way he is, he's getting a 2nd at a min. 1st round picks are not thrown around that easily.

I do think Monahan would be a good fit for the Oilers. He's skating very well and good on faceoffs. Uses his big body well but I don't see the Oilers paying the price

If the price is a 2nd, I could see Holland paying it. He seems to like to move his 2nd's. The issue is making the salary work.

I just hope he finds another defenseman before he adds another forward.

It would feel weird rooting on Monahan after disliking him for so long in Calgary, ha ha.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers need a couple blue liners, not grit.

Move Nuge for an upgrade on D, he has good value with his cap hit and he's 29. Maybe in a deal for Parayko ? He's making 1M more, same age and has term. I haven't seen a whole lot of Parayko this season, I've heard he hasn't been as good as the past. But he's a physical RHD, it'll make the Oilers much harder to play against and you get a really good quality defender. McDavid/Drai can carry their own lines rather easily, I feel like it makes sense for Edmonton.

Or maybe a bigger deal involving multiple players with Nashville, target Ekholm. He's a little older but he's a big boy and plays a mean solid defensive game.

Moving our top 6 forwards won't help either. Don't get me wrong, we need some top 4 defensemen as well, but if we trade our top 6 forwards to get them we're just shuffling deck chairs. Nuge isn't the guy to move anyway, he's a valuable part of the success of the team.

If we are upgrading our RD, we need to move a RD out, as we already have 3 NHL caliber RD. Some St. Louis fans have said that they need Broberg or Bouchard if we are making a move for Parkayko, but I think Bouchard has more value at this point. Broberg is still a question mark, and its apparent that Holland isn't going to trade him unless he crashes and burns, and then he won't have any value anyway. Parayko might be too difficult to sort a deal out for, but if there was a way to include Barrie as part of the package (yes, I realize you're going to say he has negative value) along with some futures to even out the value, then something between Edmonton and St. Louis might actually be able to happen.

That said, I can't see St. Louis selling until the deadline. Not now. They were in worse shape at this time of the year the season they won the cup after all.

 

[AvroArrow]

Moving our top 6 forwards won't help either. Don't get me wrong, we need some top 4 defensemen as well, but if we trade our top 6 forwards to get them we're just shuffling deck chairs. Nuge isn't the guy to move anyway, he's a valuable part of the success of the team.

If we are upgrading our RD, we need to move a RD out, as we already have 3 NHL caliber RD. Some St. Louis fans have said that they need Broberg or Bouchard if we are making a move for Parkayko, but I think Bouchard has more value at this point. Broberg is still a question mark, and its apparent that Holland isn't going to trade him unless he crashes and burns, and then he won't have any value anyway. Parayko might be too difficult to sort a deal out for, but if there was a way to include Barrie as part of the package (yes, I realize you're going to say he has negative value) along with some futures to even out the value, then something between Edmonton and St. Louis might actually be able to happen.

That said, I can't see St. Louis selling until the deadline. Not now. They were in worse shape at this time of the year the season they won the cup after all.

You'll have to give to get. McDavid/Drai are 2 of the worlds best players, McDavid turned Pat Maroon a career 4th liner into a 30 goal scorer. He'll be fine with anyone on the ice. I don't think Oilers fans want to move on from Drai either, understandable. The D core itself doesn't have enough value to really upgrade, unless you're adding a lot of futures to it. Like Barrie for example will cost a 1st just to dump that deal, then you gotta add a bit of value to bring back the desired player. Or maybe a deal involving Barrie + forward + picks ?

 

[ManofSteel55]

You'll have to give to get. McDavid/Drai are 2 of the worlds best players, McDavid turned Pat Maroon a career 4th liner into a 30 goal scorer. He'll be fine with anyone on the ice. I don't think Oilers fans want to move on from Drai either, understandable. The D core itself doesn't have enough value to really upgrade, unless you're adding a lot of futures to it. Like Barrie for example will cost a 1st just to dump that deal, then you gotta add a bit of value to bring back the desired player. Or maybe a deal involving Barrie + forward + picks ?

You do have to give to get. But as I said, shuffling deck chairs won't help us out. The issue isn't finding guys who can play with McDavid. It's finding guys who can contribute without him. Nuge is one of those. He has a NTC anyway, and he doesn't want to leave.

The way Barrie has played the last 3 years, he isn't a dump. You won't be convinced of that, but I won't be convinced that his value today is the same as it was when he was failing in Toronto under Babcock, especially when he's playing over 20 minutes a night and doing well in all situations. He's worked hard to upgrade his play away from the puck.

What the Oilers need is futures for now trades, upgrading both our top six, and one spot on the blueline. But we don't have the space to do either right now anyway.

 

[triggrman]

Lol why in the world would the Preds want Shore or Benson for Trenin?

Right. Crazy low value for Trenin.

 

[ottawa]

Thinking Edmundson to Oilers for a 1st or conditional 1st

 

[Habs Halifax]

if you want toughness you can have pearson/myers (not that tough be 6’8), burroughs/poolman. enjoy.

oilers should have just claimed simmonds.

Tougher to play against is not just about size. Ideally, you want players with size and skating and when you go after size with poor skating or over the hill players, you end up with Simmonds, Thornton, Foligno types. Although Foligno is having a good season with the Bruins so far.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You do have to give to get. But as I said, shuffling deck chairs won't help us out. The issue isn't finding guys who can play with McDavid. It's finding guys who can contribute without him. Nuge is one of those. He has a NTC anyway, and he doesn't want to leave.

The way Barrie has played the last 3 years, he isn't a dump. You won't be convinced of that, but I won't be convinced that his value today is the same as it was when he was failing in Toronto under Babcock, especially when he's playing over 20 minutes a night and doing well in all situations. He's worked hard to upgrade his play away from the puck.

What the Oilers need is futures for now trades, upgrading both our top six, and one spot on the blueline. But we don't have the space to do either right now anyway.

Barrie is putting up almost half of his production on the stacked PP and 60% offensive zone starts. His hits/60, Blocks/60, giveaways/60, and takeaways/60 is nothing to brag about. So I guess he has been doing OK based on his usage.

I think the Oilers need a 3C and one stable guy on D (someone mobile, big, and physical). 3C is a team need as well. This allows the Oilers to keep Drai with McDavid and RNH at 2C.

 

[brokenwolf88]

Maybe the oilers should just focus on drafting and developing these guys.