Most ridiculous narratives that are statistically correct

[daver]

There is usually room for context in most statistical-based narratives that gets tossed around when players and teams are being compared. What are the most rediculous narratives that are easily dismissed with context.

I'll start:

"Crosby's 13/14 Art Ross win was better than all Mario's six wins and all of Jagr's five wins as he had the largest % gap between him and 2nd place".

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I think it’s going to be hard to prove a subjective term like “better”.

 

[daver]

I think it’s going to be hard to prove a subjective term like “better”.

That's the point of the thread. That statement is statistically correct but in Mario's case especially, context about who finished in 2nd and/or the # of games played makes that subjective comment look, at best, naively unaware.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I’m sure it’s statistically correct but “easily dismissed” seems like a hard conclusion to assume.

 

[WarriorofTime]

"Crosby's 13/14 Art Ross win was better than all Mario's six wins and all of Jagr's five wins as he had the largest % gap between him and 2nd place".

Well we can be pedantic here but that is not statistically proven “better”… it’s just proven to be that statement that is stated at the end about gap to second which is just a factual statement in itself and doesn’t inherently say it’s “better”. You don’t just attach a value judgment to a factual statement and state that the value judgment is proven by the existence of the factual statement.

 

[daver]

I’m sure it’s statistically correct but “easily dismissed” seems like a hard conclusion to assume.

Seems like somebody took to many "no fun threads!" pills this morning.

Just kidding, feel free to shut her down if not appropriate.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Martin St. Louis won as many Art Ross trophies as Alex Ovechkin, Maurice Richard, Mark Messier, Joe Sakic, Steve Yzerman, Bryan Trottier and Mike Bossy combined.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Seems like somebody took to many "no fun threads!" pills this morning.

Just kidding, feel free to shut her down if not appropriate.

No, I’m genuinely curious about the terminology.

 

[JackSlater]

Caveats about "best" aside...

Joe Malone's goal scoring peak, whether a full season or a single game, > everyone else's goal scoring peak.

Hronek's shot harder than MacInnis' shot.

 

[pandro]

Sidney Crosby never led his own team in scoring in any of their Stanley Cup victories.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

thatcher demko is the greatest playoff goalie of all time

 

[Gambitman]

John Druce and Barry Pederson have more single season playoff goals than Esposito, Glenn Anderson, Malkin, and Iginla.

 

[Albatros]

Jeff Carter won more games for his team than Wayne Gretzky (more game-winning goals).

 

[GlitchMarner]

Kasperi Kapanen is a better playoff overtime player than Ovechkin, Crosby and Lemieux (more playoff OT winners than any of them).

Almost had another one the other night, too!

 

[Moose Head]

Lyle Odelien’s 5pt night is the greatest game by a dman in Habs history.

 

[MadLuke]

Forsberg was a really big step above Sakic at even strength.

Looking at the R-on, R-off, total different tier of player (but has shown in 00 and 01, when Sakic played with the Hejudk-Tanguay winger of the teams, could be a +0.5 per games player has well....)

 

[MadArcand]

Mike Murphy is the greatest goalie in NHL history. Save% has spoken.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Mike Murphy is the greatest goalie in NHL history. Save% has spoken.

Vezina winner Victor Ostman would like to speak with you.

 

[Hippasus]

Sidney Crosby only led the league in assists once and points once. He did, however, lead the league in goals twice. Therefore a) he was neither an elite playmaker nor points-getter, and b) he was more elite at goal scoring.

EDIT: Take out the 'points' part out of the 'argument'. Crosby led the league in points twice.

 

[Hippasus]

Sam Gagner scored eight points in a single game, the most in recent years. He therefore had the highest peak in the contemporary NHL.

 

[MadLuke]

points once.

He has 2 Art Ross (2007-2014) ? Did you mean league in assists and points once ?

 

[Summer Rose]

Mike Murphy is the greatest goalie in NHL history. Save% has spoken.

It’s about damn time that someone tied Scott Foster’s longstanding record.

 

[Hippasus]

He has 2 Art Ross (2007-2014) ? Did you mean league in assists and points once ?

Whoops, I should've known that. I guess the argument is just between goals and assists then, and take points out of the equation.

 

[reckoning]

Michel Larocque won more Vezina trophies than Patrick Roy.

 

[pandro]

Connor McDavid has as many Art Ross trophies as Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin combined.