Ryan52
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Who are some players that held records mostly due to longevity, and where never really a top player?
In terms of misleading, isn't Sundin #1 all time in GWG?
Isn't it regular season overtime goals?
That isn't as misleading as it is just a category with small numbers. Kovalchuk and Ovechkin were amongst the top four for GWGs last year (Erik Cole's tied for fourth as well), in off-years for both of them.
Messier being 2nd in all-time scoring is a good example, as is Brodeur being 1st in wins.
Gretzky's PPG record. Before he came out of retirement, Mario was over 2. If defense matters, Mario and Gordie are both better than the Grape One.
Messier being 2nd in all-time scoring is a good example, as is Brodeur being 1st in wins.
there were unofficial sv% stats from earlier eras.Does being the record-holder of a statistic that wasn't always kept count? If so, Thomas' single season SV% record.
Messier I can see a little bit. But Brodeur? How so? No, most of us don't have him ahead of Roy on an all-time list but he's almost exclusively in the top 5-6. Plus he led the NHL in wins about 8 different times. That is hardly a product of longevity when you are lapping your competition year in and year out.
Messier is a little different of a case. Never led the NHL in points. Came 2nd once. Is clearly less offensively talented then many players behind him too.
Messier I can see a little bit. But Brodeur? How so?
The wins stat is too team dependent to be considered a meaningful stat. 35 wins with an average or mediocre team can be more impressive than 45 with a great team.
The most impressive Brodeur record IMO is games played, not wins. He had some pretty good endurance. He even played 78 games in a season with a .922 save percentage, now that's excellence. It may even be a better regular season than 2011 Thomas (debatable).
Brodeur's wins total is misleading because it relies on three things: his consistently above-average play, the strength of the teams he's played on, and the way his team has utilized him. The latter two are the rare circumstances. To make an analogy with Messier, Brodeur spent many years playing just average or above average, with only a couple seasons where he was amongst the best of the league (two top 3 finishes in save percentage, four top 5 finishes).
Another example for Brodeur would be his pending assumption of the all-time loss record, for obvious reasons.
How about Lucky Luc leading all left wingers in scoring?