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Sure, sure, a bunch of nobodies. You make it sounds like it was Miracle on Ice.
Here are the posted odds the morning of Game 1:
Sure, sure, a bunch of nobodies. You make it sounds like it was Miracle on Ice.
Stevens on Kariya led to one of the most electrifying moments in NHL history.
I also think it was one of the hits that started the ball rolling down the hill on modern protocol.
I ignored him.The OP said not to consider the hits on Kariya, Lindros etc.
Kind opposite momentum swing on this one
You’re pushing back really hard on something that everyone else remembers with clarity.
Detroit was an absolute wagon which won 3 more games than anyone else in the league (on a 48 game schedule!). Again they were 12-2 in the playoffs. Nobody thought of them as “soft” either. That was a team with Konstantinov, McCarty, Ciccarelli, Primeau, Lapointe, Grimson, and a bunch of blue-collar grinders like Burr and Taylor. They could mix it up with anyone. And the “perennial choker” label is an anachronism when talking about this team — as of spring ‘95 they had only one really disappointing series in their background, the previous year against the Sharks.
Why was it a defining moment in NHL history? Because that Finals was the tipping point that began the Dead Puck era. The Devils raised some eyebrows beating Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, but nobody took them seriously against Detroit. In sweeping that series, they showed that the neutral zone trap and a shit-load of obstruction could neutralize even the most loaded offense. By the following spring you get Florida in the Finals, then Washington, and then the balance tips all the way over so that by ‘99 it’s full blown DPE hockey. That series was also the point at which Brodeur and Stevens began to really carve out their HHOF arguments, and Claude Lemieux won the Smythe which cemented him as a playoffs all-timer.
Most people will go for the Scott Stevens Lindros hit, but Kaspar is the one that cracked the egg.
I remember watching this live as a kid and it’s when I realized Lindros was in fact a human capable of being hurt. The guy was a machine before this.
Scott Stevens must have hit you coming across the middle if you think that the Red Wings weren't heavily favored.Everyone else = a couple other people?
Let's look at some facts:
The Devils made it to the Conference Finals the previous season and lost in game 7 in double OT to the eventual Cup winner. They were literally one goal away from the Cup Finals.
(The Red Wings hadn't won more than one playoff round since 1988)
The previous season the Devils had 106 points
(The mythical Wings had 100).
Claude Lemieux actually had more points the previous playoffs. 7 goals 18 points in 20 games.
Brodeur had already won the Calder. He started 17 games the previous playoffs and posted a .928 SV%.
Yes the Wings were favored as they had a ton of offensive talent. I am not arguing they weren't favored. And to be clear, I've said the Wings got destroyed. It's not some attempt to downplay the loss. They got their ass absolutely handed to them.
A team that was one win away from the Cup Finals the previous season is not some massive David and Goliath story. The "defining moment" is a revisionist narrative. Average goals per game actually went up the next year, which unlike 1995 wasn't shortened by lockout. Also the next 5 Cups were won by Colorado, Detroit, and Dallas.
Look I respect you as a poster here but forgot that when it comes to the Red Wings that it's kind of pointless to engage with you. Maybe as a Wings fan I'm overly influenced by how it felt at the time, but every Wings fan I knew wasn't thinking they were the massive favorites because they'd done nothing in the playoffs to instill confidence.
Anyway, back to the topic of the thread...
When Pavelski took that double hit and the Sharks turned the game around, normally you'd say it's the penalty that turned the game but since it's Pavelski maybe the team took it up a few levels
Everyone else = a couple other people?
Let's look at some facts:
The Devils made it to the Conference Finals the previous season and lost in game 7 in double OT to the eventual Cup winner. They were literally one goal away from the Cup Finals.
(The Red Wings hadn't won more than one playoff round since 1988)
The previous season the Devils had 106 points
(The mythical Wings had 100).
Claude Lemieux actually had more points the previous playoffs. 7 goals 18 points in 20 games.
Brodeur had already won the Calder. He started 17 games the previous playoffs and posted a .928 SV%.
Yes the Wings were favored as they had a ton of offensive talent. I am not arguing they weren't favored. And to be clear, I've said the Wings got destroyed. It's not some attempt to downplay the loss. They got their ass absolutely handed to them.
A team that was one win away from the Cup Finals the previous season is not some massive David and Goliath story. The "defining moment" is a revisionist narrative. Average goals per game actually went up the next year, which unlike 1995 wasn't shortened by lockout. Also the next 5 Cups were won by Colorado, Detroit, and Dallas.
Look I respect you as a poster here but forgot that when it comes to the Red Wings that it's kind of pointless to engage with you.
Most people will go for the Scott Stevens Lindros hit, but Kaspar is the one that cracked the egg.
I remember watching this live as a kid and it’s when I realized Lindros was in fact a human capable of being hurt. The guy was a machine before this.
Then the Wilson hit is excluded. It was impactful because it injured Carrier.If the Caps close it out against the Habs, the Wilson hit on Carrier will probably be considered the inflection point.
What are the other most impactful hits in NHL history?
Not including hits that were impactful because they injured someone and derailed their career, like the hits on Crosby/Lindros/Kariya.
Just pure momentum swinging hits
Everyone else = a couple other people?
1995 Finals, Game 2, tie game, NJ a huge underdog trying to get out of Detroit with two wins on road ice.
That was when you knew the Devils weren’t messing around and had a real chance to take the Red Wings down.
I think Mr. Hollyfeld has taken a few too many blows to the head.Scott Stevens must have hit you coming across the middle if you think that the Red Wings weren't heavily favored.