HF Habs: Most disappointing Hughes Acquisition (All Michkov draft talk here)

[1909]

that's not true though, they made the trade with NYI first, so they had that pick, they just wanted it to get Dach but they didn't have to, they could have just done the trade with NYI and called it a day. I think it's going to be a big mistake but I've been a big Nazar fan so we'll see.

Pick #13 was not in their plan to keep at all. They wanted Dach. Pick #13 was an unknown player, not Nazar.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The most disappointing is clearly Justin Barron, not Kirby Dach.

Dach was a big gamble that was absolutely worth taking. Whatever happens, happens.

 

[Colezuki]

The most disappointing is clearly Justin Barron, not Kirby Dach.

Dach was a big gamble that was absolutely worth taking. Whatever happens, happens.

i mean justin barron was then flipped for Carrier though, salvaging the whole situation IMO

 

[BenchBrawl]

i mean justin barron was then flipped for Carrier though, salvaging the whole situation IMO

Yeah, true. But it was still poor player evaluation.

Whereas with Dach, I can't explain it, but it feels different. More of an open gamble.

 

[Hansman]

For the question at hand, I have to say I am gutted to admit the answer is probably Dach.

I was upset with the trade when I saw we could have drafted Nazar. I thought it was a huge miss and it is looking like the case.

I was initially very harsh with Dach but he won me over bigtime. I still really like him, I still think the sky is the limit if he can be healthy for a while. But I sadly have gotten to the point where I just don't see it happening anymore. Too many injuries during his key years. I don't think he was totally healthy at any point this year, his knee was clearly holding him back.

I know Newhook is a popular answer but nah, I really like Newhook. He doesn't have the finish but that doesn't mean he'll never figure that out. He does a lot of things well. And he's a useful soeedy player that you can put anywhere in the lineup. Overpay? Yes but those picks were not worth much.

Dach was a good trade .He was trending well but got derailed by injuries.

 

[montreal]

Pick #13 was not in their plan to keep at all. They wanted Dach. Pick #13 was an unknown player, not Nazar.

that's the point of the mistake, they made the trade, they could have said let's trade Romanov and use the pick for the future, instead they tried to speed up the rebuild. They didn't have to do that, it's all about making the right choices and it was the right choice to trade Romanov for the 13th OA but what they did with that pick at least so far has shown it wasn't the right move. They paid scouts to inform them, someone should have pushed hard for players like Nazar imo, especially when they could have gotten the duo of Cooley/Nazar.

All GMs make mistakes, it happens, but you have to learn from them and you have to limit them or you end up like MB. Nazar was there for the taking, I think he's going to be a star in the NHL, but if Dach ends up working out then great. But people shouldn't have a problem pointing out a mistake as we all make them.

 

[dcyhabs]

Any GM will acquire players that don’t work out. Dach and Newhook, at least, are not looking great.

Hughes is likely the best habs GM since the last cup, but that is really not a high bar to clear. In the next year or two it should clear if he’s good or just not as bad.

I worry that having Hutson and Caufield will be tough in the playoffs, and tougher after each round. Hutson must be pretty beat up to turn down a chance to play more hockey.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The most disappointing is clearly Justin Barron, not Kirby Dach.

Dach was a big gamble that was absolutely worth taking. Whatever happens, happens.

Baron came with a 2nd that we leveraged for Hage. Cant ignore that.

 

[1909]

that's the point of the mistake, they made the trade, they could have said let's trade Romanov and use the pick for the future, instead they tried to speed up the rebuild. They didn't have to do that, it's all about making the right choices and it was the right choice to trade Romanov for the 13th OA but what they did with that pick at least so far has shown it wasn't the right move. They paid scouts to inform them, someone should have pushed hard for players like Nazar imo, especially when they could have gotten the duo of Cooley/Nazar.

All GMs make mistakes, it happens, but you have to learn from them and you have to limit them or you end up like MB. Nazar was there for the taking, I think he's going to be a star in the NHL, but if Dach ends up working out then great. But people shouldn't have a problem pointing out a mistake as we all make them.

Cooley-Nazar would had been a great combo, indeed. Now, let’s hope Slaf will « play" full seasons, and Dach comes back healthy OR is traded for a little something.

 

[LesCactus]

The players HuGo traded for fit the rebuilding timeline and it made sense at the time. It’s not like they gave away the farm for an aging Erik Karlsson.

 

[Kennerback]

Cooley-Nazar would had been a great combo, indeed. Now, let’s hope Slaf will « play" full seasons, and Dach comes back healthy OR is traded for a little something.

With Cooley and Nazar, added to Suzuki and Caufield you're trying to build a smaller, less skilled and softer version of Toronto's Core 4. The original Core 4 is superior to the copy. Not a fan.

 

[1909]

Going for guys with an injury history is always a gamble.

With Cooley and Nazar, added to Suzuki and Caufield you're trying to build a smaller, less skilled and softer version of Toronto's Core 4. Not a fan.

What about the other 8 regular forwards playing with them + all the d-men ? They coud had ben all big guys with grit.

 

[Kennerback]

What about the other 8 regular forwards playing with them + all the d-men ? They coud had ben all big guys with grit.

The Caps healthy top-6 are 6'3+ and up. At least 4 of our top-6 would be less than 5'11 and 3-4. What are we trying to prove... That we can look higher skilled while we get our heads bashed in the playoffs?

 

[1909]

The Caps healthy top-6 are 6'3+ and up. At least 4 of our top-6 would be less than 5'11 and 3-4. What are we trying to prove... That we can look higher skilled while we get our heads bashed in the playoffs?

Did the Caps beat Carolina ?

 

[Kennerback]

Did the Caps beat Carolina ?

Sorry but icing Cooley, Nazar, Suzuki and Caufield together is just not serious. And if I didn't know better I'd think you were trolling.

 

[1909]

Sorry but icing Cooley, Nazar, Suzuki and Caufield together is just not serious. And if I didn't know better I'd think you were trolling.

You surround them properly like I wrote in my previous post.

So far, did Slaf and Dach made the difference with this team ?

 

[Walksss]

You surround them properly like I wrote in my previous post.

So far, did Slaf and Dach made the difference with this team ?

I think you're gonna find it hard to get support around here proposing such a small soft top 4 forward group. It's obvious that isn't gonna work. Why are you steelmanning such a crappy team build?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You surround them properly like I wrote in my previous post.

So far, did Slaf and Dach made the difference with this team ?

Slaf definitely has. Dach has done so when he’s been healthy. Unfortunately he hasn’t been healthy often enough.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah, true. But it was still poor player evaluation.

When you’re going after prospects you’re looking at potential. Baron’s a big right shot smooth skating blueliner who may yet have a good career. It’s a worthy risk.

And we also got a pick with him that we leveraged for Hage. I definitely make that trade again.

Whereas with Dach, I can't explain it, but it feels different. More of an open gamble.

The wrist was a bit of a gamble but they did their diligence and appear to have been correct. The knee injury is what’s killing him and you can’t predict that.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

When you’re going after prospects you’re looking at potential. Baron’s a big right shot smooth skating blueliner who may yet have a good career. It’s a worthy risk.

And we also got a pick with him that we leveraged for Hage. I definitely make that trade again.

The wrist was a bit of a gamble but they did their diligence and appear to have been correct. The knee injury is what’s killing him and you can’t predict that.

Dach was a really good gamble. To me, it was the right decision and a creative play after drafting a winger 1oA.

Sometimes it doesn’t work out but should not nullify the decision making process.

I applaud Hughes for the attempt!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

As for Newhook, i did not like that trade. Can’t figure out what is holding Newhook back other than lack of a two way game and lack of finishing.

I liked the Lehky trade. Barron failed but got lucky with Hutson. Those were two pieces that you hope one hits.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

I agree with other posters, at the time all his gambles were sound decisions.

Especially loved both the Petry & Monahan trade tree’s.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I agree with other posters, at the time all his gambles were sound decisions.

Especially loved both the Petry & Monahan trade tree’s.

Newhook was the only one i didn’t understand. He already traded for Dach to be 2C. What was Newhook’s purpose?

 

[Whitesnake]

So many WAY MORE IMPORTANT trades not mentioned.....oh my god you guys...come on...

Nate Schnarr anyone? Geez, big C that never amounted to anything. A guy with a name that I shout hard everytime I sneeze...can't amount ot anything? William Lagesson..HUGE D...again nothing. Nothing. JaKov Novak? Huge forward...Nothing. Filip Cederqvist anyone? How does a player like that with a name like that amount to nothing? Oh and MOST IMPORTANTLY..... Arnaud Durandeau, Nicolas Beaudin, Frédéric Allard, Nathan Légaré...? All those QUÉBÉCOIS guys that because of their ineptitude and non-NHL skills, were unable to make the TVA play by play guys be able to talk about them by saying LE QUÉBÉCOIS 50 times PER GAME, PER NAME????

Unacceptable trades.

 

[Rapala]

Cooley-Nazar would had been a great combo, indeed. Now, let’s hope Slaf will « play" full seasons, and Dach comes back healthy OR is traded for a little something.

Dach won't get anything UNLESS he makes it with us.